Jesus does NOT have a wonderful plan for your life.

by Chloe Jeffreys · 875 comments

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In this past year, a slew of my friends have abandoned their faith in God altogether and come out as atheists.

I’ve seen the pattern over and over again so many times that I’m thinking I could knit a sweater of atheism if only I had enough yarn.

It usually starts with a personal crisis of some sort or another.

The death of a child. The loss of a home. Financial disaster. The disappointment that comes from a marriage gone bad. A prodigal child. It could be anything big or seemingly small.

Whatever the initial spark, the course of events that follows seems fairly consistent from person to person.

First up:  The Arrival of Job’s Friends.

Because the American Church is so enamored with this stupid theology about Jesus having a wonderful plan for our lives, many Christians do not know how to cope when misfortune strikes their fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

For Americans, Jesus having a wonderful plan for our lives means health, wealth and prosperity. For us Americans, that is. Us extra-blessed Americans who Jesus loves best, of course.

Whether we personally belong to a church that openly espouses Prosperity Theology or not, this terrible heresy has infected American Christianity like a plague that just will not go away.

Worse, far worse, it is driving people to atheism in droves.

Here is how it works; here is how this theology creates an army of Job’s Friends.

If I’m invested in believing that Jesus has a wonderful plan for my life, and that the level of my stridency in my faith in Him is what is keeping the Boogeyman away, what conclusions can I draw when the Boogeyman visits you?

Obviously there is something wrong with you and your faith.

Because we know that Jesus has a wonderful plan for our lives, if bad things are happening to you, well then, it must be your own damn fault.

This sort of belief in Jesus–that belief in Him is what is both keeping bad things from happening and causing good to rain down on us–is really nothing more or less than idolatry.

WHAT?!?!

Am I saying that  belief in Jesus could be an idol?

Is that even possible?

Yeah. It is.

It is no different than any other sort of magical thinking. This thinking reduces Jesus to nothing more than a rabbit’s foot.

A belief in Jesus is not a talisman against misfortune and disaster. This magical thinking is, in fact, the exact opposite of what Jesus said about following him.

Jesus never said, “I’ve got a wonderful plan for you life.”

He said that, before choosing to follow him, a person should, “Count the cost.”

When disaster befalls our brother or sister in Christ*, this creates anxiety in us. And out of our own anxiety, we become shitheads to our suffering friends.

Because we need to believe that we have the talisman against evil, i.e., our belief in Jesus, we decide that their calamity must indicate some spiritual weakness or sin in them.

We need to believe that the bad that happened to them can’t happen to us because our faith is strong, right? We’ve ferreted out the sin from our lives, unlike them, right?

And even if we don’t openly say these things, or even realize that we think this way, we communicate this loud and clear.

That’s why, without fail, the very next mile-marker on the road to atheism, after the precipitating disaster, is  the arrival of Job’s Friends. And those friends are us.

*Don’t even get me started on how we treat non-believers when disaster strikes them. 

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Brittany July 20, 2017 at 1:14 pm

I just talked to my pastor, and asked him some questions. Like why do cerain people suffer like me from things like depressin and etc. Now, dont get me wrong, hes a great pastor. But, he had to pass on a couple to few questions from what i asked because he couldnt answer them. Wich, i knew either he couldnt answer them, or i wouldnt like the answers most people pull out of their asses. But, he did answer some and from what i expected they would be, just not satisfied with them. Theyre more opinionated then factual. Except a few verses he read out of the new testament about homosexuality. I have to say, im 50/50 with it. Im still torn. On keeping this dying faith, or being completely done. I cant help the way i feel with hatred, fustration, and etc towards God. I thought the advice he gave me would either make me or break me, but i just believe this christianity thing isnt for me. Ive tried numerous times. I also feel, that no matter what, ill always feel the same.

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Marc July 20, 2017 at 5:15 pm

” I also feel, that no matter what, ill always feel the same.”

There is where the problem is: “feeling”. A lot of people go to church to feel good or to feel something, good or bad, and in the churches in our time, organizers do everything to satisfy people with their feelings. That’s why they have introduced worldly sensual music, because many people like sensuality or that kind of feeling of lust, and without these feelings people are bored.

But true Christianity is not a religion of good feeling, but rather the peaching of the gospel that says: “You are a sinner and if you all deserve to go to hell!”, and when people are convinced and begin to scream, then: “…but God has given his own son Jesus to die an horrible death so that people who repent don’t have to go to hell for eternity.”

Catholic priests explain this like this:

“Repentance is difficult because people often DON’T FEEL any remorses and therefore conclude that their are no regrets. But the essence of repentance IS NOT A FEELING but rather the awarness that we have sinned and the intention to change something.”

But people won’t hear that kind of message in our last time “Laodicean” type of church, that has now become a den of thieves, or an house of vile entertainment. In the Bible it is written that there will be a time when people “…will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables…” (2 Tim 4:3-4)
But preachers have to remain faithful, even when only few people like to hear the true, so the text continues with: “…But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.” (2 Tim 4:5)
Alas! the preachers today prefers to satisfy a communauty of people thirst of feelings than to satify God, and good people that have thirst of hearing the word of God are spiritually dying.

“For the love of money is the root of all evil…” (1 Tim 6:10)

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Ernie May 19, 2017 at 3:56 pm

God absolutely does have a wonderful plan for your life, and a plan to prosper you (Jeremiah 29:11). If you’ve fallen into the worldly trap of thinking only in terms of money, then you need to spend more than 10 minutes a week reading your Bible. If you also think that means we won’t have trials, tribulations, and that the rain doesn’t fall on the just and the unjust, then I’m not really sure what you’re reading. If we live long enough, we will all see family, friends, and perhaps even children go through many trials and even pass away. How sad if you decide to blame God for life and quit… walking away from Him. The Jews saw God daily in the cloud and in a pillar of fire at night. They saw the sea open up and God’s power of deliverance. They were still too self-centered to last just 40 days without Moses before turning to idols. Today we have those same Idols. We’ve just disguise them as our own selfish desires, jobs, family, money, and anything that gets in the way of our plans. The Israelites constantly pessimistically focused on problems around them instead of on the Problem Solver. God never tells us that we won’t have problems. He promised that He will never leave us, that He has a plan in our life, and He wants to prosper us. Oh yes, and our plans and thoughts aren’t necessarily God’s. God uses our trials to strengthen us, teach us, and to get us where we need to be. My recent year+ of unemployment turned out to be a major blessing as long as I kept my eyes focused on Christ and what he wanted to do in my life. I prospered more during that period than the previous 10 years combined (not speaking about finances). God did many wonderful things in my life through that period. But I didn’t focus on the problems, but got closer to Christ instead. That was the whole point of that experience…. and that is the true purpose of our lives as well.

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Donna May 19, 2017 at 4:28 pm

How dare you shake your finger at suffering people. You don’t know how severe people’s circumstances are. We are glad you came through. That does not mean all will. That does not erase the pain and blameless suffering that most people go through trying to believe a God who never shows up. Further, some of us have watched and waited for YEARS for God to come through. So it is not appropriate to keep waiting on God when He’s not doing anything. That is debilitating and deadly. People have to make decisions whether God shows up or not. Many are on earthly life-ruining deadlines. To be able to function at all it is right to give up on an indifferent God at some point. Don’t you dare try to judge people’s righteous pain.

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Ernie May 30, 2017 at 5:22 pm

Per the author above, “It usually starts with a personal crisis of some sort or another…. It could be anything big or seemingly small.” Doesn’t sound like he is comparing the size of our suffering. Was it supposed to be a contest? Would you feel better if I told you about those in our family with alcoholism, cancer….. killed in their teen years in an auto accident, failing health due to disease, other addictions? I guess you didn’t understand the point that we’re all fellow sufferers. Paul said the same thing. Really tough to see it when the chip on your shoulders gets so big. Or perhaps you were reading another article we haven’t read yet? Have you reached Job’s level yet? Lost all your family and friends…. all your property and money…. your health….. left with nothing? An acquaintance of mine mostly did. Her husband died and then a few years later, she lost most of her children and grandchildren in a house fire. I guarantee your not in her shoes either physically or spiritually — not even close- which is why she still praises God and is being prospered (not health and wealth) and you’ve only gotten bitter. She’ll cross the desert into the promise land in 2 or 3 weeks. You’ll probably be out there for another 40 years. Next, my comments from above: It’s not about money — prosperity that is…. We all suffer with death of loved ones, health issues, trials and tribulations – absolutely everyone does. I guess you didn’t understand that from my comments either. Those life issues will either make us bitter or they will make us better in Christ Jesus. Guess which it has made me…. my acquaintance….. Guess which it has made you. It was her choice how she handled it in Christ. It is my own choice how I handle my past and current issues and struggles. Still want to blame everyone else? It is still your choice how you handle what you’re going through. How did it turn out for those who blamed God in the Bible? I don’t think Job ever did. The author above is simply using a perverted view of prosperity conceived from the clichéd “prosperity doctrine”, to promote completely un-Biblical concepts….. to moan, groan, and complain about others. He is correct that the “prosperity doctrine” is not Biblical regarding being some type of magic wealth pill, but he misses it everywhere else, including the title of his article. I’m truly sorry about your anger and bitterness, but if it takes someone 40 years to cross a desert, which should only have really taken about 3 weeks, then maybe its not everyone else’s fault…. except our own.

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Ernie May 30, 2017 at 6:06 pm

By the way, I read a really great quote below. It stated “Be careful with your judgementalism. You cannot know the sum total of what people have been through in one brief comment. ” You made that statement, Donna. I’m sure you weren’t trying to assume the sum total of what I’ve been through in the one brief statement I made above, were you?

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Marc May 31, 2017 at 7:25 am

Worse than Job’s friends that tried to find a cause for Job troubles, like a sin Job has not repented for, which in that case would have helped Job, what I hate the most is the comparaisons with people in more awful condition people make to accuse suffering people of complaining. Unless you are the most miserable people among the seven billions people on earth, there will always be these people that will say “Look around you, there are people in a worse condition than you”. Catholic people are expert in this matter, they put the “standart” as low as possible and accuse all people living above that “standart” that complain and fail to worship God. To someone that has lost a leg, they will say “stop complaining, that other person there has lost both legs”, and to that person that has lost both legs he will say “stop complaining, that other one there not only has no more legs but he is also blind”, etc… I know one of these fake “brothers in Christ” in a church I used to go years ago. He cannot endure to see suffering people complaining, in fact he was himself complaining for seeing suffering people “complaining”. For him, suffering peoples have no rights to complain, but himself that lacks of nothing thinks that he has the right to complain about what the suffering people say. That person even says about a suffering person that if that person doesn’t know what to do in his situation, then that people is part of the problem!
Then there are these kind of evil people accusing people in need, that are being to be evicted because of being unable to pay for the rent, of only loving money. These evil people have houses but won’t help anybody, they only know how to accuse and critic other people. They always say that God’s blessing is not about money, but how can brothers and sisters in Christ help each other if they have nothing to begin with? How can a homeless do hospitality without a home? How can someone that has not even a bicyclette help with transportation? A lot of people want to help but cannot bear fruits because they have nothing, while evil people that lack of nothing only enjoy life and vacations, and complain about poor people complaining, saying “stop complaining and say thanks to God, because they are lot of people in a situation worse than yours!” And that kind of evil person even do counselling, write in the church buletin (yahoogroup) articles about all the details of his vacations around the world, while suffering people are barred from joing that church yahoogroup because no one like to hear poor people complaining!

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You suck May 30, 2017 at 1:01 pm

Lol. Case in point right here. This person is exactly what the author was talking about. You have NO CLUE about suffering. It’s not about money. I’ve followed god my whole life, and it’s been trial after trial. No money attached. No improvement. You are insanely misconstrued person

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Ernie May 30, 2017 at 5:55 pm

To quote my own self above: “If you’ve fallen into the worldly trap of thinking only in terms of money, then you need to spend more than 10 minutes a week reading your Bible.” And so…… it’s not about money… prosperity is not about money…….getting it yet? Not sure? Same comment here as I made above since the article author states: “It usually starts with a personal crisis of some sort or another…. It could be anything big or seemingly small.” Still doesn’t sound like a comparison of the size of someone’s suffering to me. But then perhaps you’ve surpassed Paul already in that you’re far from wealthy, you’re suffering from a physical ailment, you’ve been sent to prison falsely and you’re about to be executed? No, not there yet? Well, he was there and he was still full of joy and being prospered. If he’s joyful facing death then what’s your excuse? Perhaps the problem is that your just following your “god”? I see people following their gods every day…. jobs, houses, family, prestige, MONEY, fame and fortune…. How did that turn out for Kurt Cobain and Robin Williams? Not so good, huh. How’s it turning out for you and your “god”. Maybe your following the wrong god? When someone is about to be wrongly executed — their life taken away unjustly, and that person is still joyful in their God…. wouldn’t you want to serve a God like that? (Paul) If someone looses all their property, wealth, family, friends and then looses their very health, and still understands who God truly is…. wouldn’t you like to know God the way they do? (Job) Or would you have given up, cursed God and died well before your house collapsed. Would you have given up merely because your toilet flooded? It is not about the size of our trials, it is about who we keep our eyes, hearts and minds focused on during those trials. Paul… eyes on Christ. Job… eyes on Christ. Mother Teresa….. eyes on Christ. A pastor who died from cancer…. eyes on Christ. Me…. eyes on Christ. You…..eyes on the problems, a “god”, bitterness, anger, hatred, self,….. eyes on what? Its your choice — not mine or God’s. Whether you suck or not depend on who you live your life for — for God or your for your own selfishness, in anger and bitterness.

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Jonathan May 19, 2017 at 9:58 am

And also some of you need to be more thankful. Some of us don’t even have homes, or families, wives or husbands or have money! Be thankful for anything you get. God blessing others more then others though is another topic for a different day.

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Jonathan May 19, 2017 at 9:06 am

Nope. He doesn’t have a wonderful plan for your life is the real truth. Just gotta try to hope and trust in Gods plan, whatever heck plan that is. And somehow not get too down on this dirt ball called earth.

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Brittany May 18, 2017 at 3:02 pm

I must say, especially reading others posts on here, that im literally in the same boat with people who have been put through hell and back with no help at all. Now i know why ive been staying away from church and more for how many years now? Thought about going back at times. But who am i kidding when i see the plain truth just here and around other people and world. Hell, look at the news. I cant help but wander why theres people who have it great and dont even deserve it, and did nothing to deserve it. While im here with shit going on you wouldnt believe, and have gone through more especially alot younger than i should have. Ive been through more and have seen more than people should have. I just dont get it? Why?! Theres people rotten to the core who have homes, a career, car, kids, etc, i guess you could say the upper hand, and i dont have one thing from the list. What did i do to deserve this life? Ive been saved, prayed, lived a like a christian is suppose to do, and this is what i get? People been through the same ordeals and still gonto church, and etc. Are you kidding me? No thanks, im not going to pretend to not see whats happening.

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Donna May 18, 2017 at 3:35 pm

I’m so sorry Brittanny, for all of us faithful who bought the bullshit, who followed the rules, who believed he cared with ALL of our being. Try not to fall away completely because you want to miss hell but abstaining from church is OK.

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Marc May 19, 2017 at 7:00 am

In our time, to miss hell abstaining from “church” is a must!

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Jay May 18, 2017 at 2:30 pm

I’ve been asking God to help me in my situation for almost 8 years and it has only gotten worse. I plead with, beg and tell God daily I might end up in trouble if he doesn’t help me and yet he still does nothing. So to everyone else out there who maybe in a similar situation or that may need help don’t always rely on prayer or God to help you no matter how much faith you have. Neither is guaranteed to. What’s meant to be will be anyways.

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Donna May 18, 2017 at 3:28 pm

I agree except it’s not meant to be. God just will not answer even in life-threatenting crisis. I have lost all faith in a loving God. I now see he taughts all this blessing stuff and has no intention of delivering, ever. It’s just a way to lure people in and there are no easy benefits for the living even if you have consisent trusting faith. It’s all meaningless. All of it. If you don’t people who can help you, you are screwed. I told Him I will never be able to witness for Him. What would I use for why they should come over??

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Donna May 18, 2017 at 4:00 pm

What I mean is God is not the evil doer. He just knows we will be attacked unto death and won’t lift a finger to deliver us. We are on our own just like we were heathens. Actually if I knew how to turn into a heathen, I would do it right now just in the hope that SOMETHING would get this off me. I have His presence everyday but He does NOTHING to help me.

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Jay May 18, 2017 at 5:36 pm

Nah whatever’s meant to be will be. If it’s meant for someone to die at a certain time they will and if not they won’t. I’ve realized that God only helps certain people so if you’re not one of the people he’s destined for help you’re screwed. No matter how much you beg, cry or plead for God to help you he’s going to do whatever he chooses to. No wonder why so many people give up and take their lives in this day and time. It’s only so much a person can take before their reach their limit and unfortunately I’m already there. There’s no telling what I may do if God doesn’t hurry and intervene with my situation soon.

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Jay May 18, 2017 at 5:38 pm

*Their limit.

Donna May 18, 2017 at 10:26 pm

I know it’s hard. I know exactly how hard it is. Please try to hang on.

Jay May 18, 2017 at 6:03 pm

Here’s proof that prayer doesn’t always work. The guy in the article below who’s now deceased asked his family to pray for him and he still ended up killing his wife and himself. >> https://www.google.com/amp/www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime–law/new-week-before-murder-suicide-man-called-family-asking-for-help/zlXOwZxmqn9HjFfuIWhe8K/amp.html

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Marc May 19, 2017 at 7:24 am

Once the devil has suceeded to destroy a marriage, there is nothing that the husband or the wife can do because their prayers are hindered:

It is written:

“Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands…
…Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; THAT YOUR PRAYERS BE NOT HINDERED.” (1Peter 3:1,7)

That means that once you have troubles in your marriage, if you are unable to get that fixed, you are screwed. God will not hear your prayers.

Jonathan May 19, 2017 at 9:10 am

I’ve learned he doesn’t just hand us things. We have to have faith in action. But what’s the point of trusting and hoping if it does nothing? I don’t get it.

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Donna July 8, 2017 at 4:27 pm

There is no point. We are just supposed to need Him and never be quenched. That is the price/point of slavehood. It is the needing that makes Him King. All my life I had thought Him beautiful and lovely and worthy. But He is just the same an any earthly dictator. He wants humiliation and weakness. He loves it when we are down. Wants nothing to do with successful people unless they are evildoers like Trump. Them He will bless the more heinous they are. The Bible is a scam. The vast majority of what we can have is a flat out lie.

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Donna April 27, 2017 at 1:55 am

Glad you’re still here. Thought you were gone since I couldn’t access the page for days and days.

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Chloe Jeffreys April 28, 2017 at 11:30 am

Hey Donna, My site went down and I hadn’t noticed until another reader emailed me. Thanks for hanging around. This last year has been really hard and I’ve felt pretty raw. I hope life is treating you kindly. Chloe

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Donna April 28, 2017 at 9:48 pm

I understand. It’s not but I’m trying to medicate by reading. Any idea where I can find the chronology/order of your blog posts?

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Jim April 26, 2017 at 10:51 am

The only problem is I can’t buy food for the starving, or dwellings for the homeless without MONEY!!, which I cannot do when I decided NOT to lie to clients and was booted out like a bad smell. Do you think God to be a purveyor of “truth” the following of which spells disaster not only for the person who does the good things, but also for his / her “clients” (the homeless, etc.)??? I can live quite happily in my car, as I’ve actually done this, but I CANNOT feed someone with no earnings.

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jcas April 14, 2017 at 11:44 pm

Jesus does have a plan for everyone’s lives; it’s called paying back the sin, and paying back the sin to the third and fourth generation… he also causes division.. ; and adultery and procreation are high up on the list of requirements …. which the unseen then ‘do good with’.. but if you are looking to be indemnified; or compensated in any way; don’t look at Jesus.. apparently the unseen don’t do ‘apologies’…. or even allow you to remember a whole conversation if it doesn’t suit.. if you are hearing things from people who have robbed you; get exorcised; best protection ‘don’t drink, don’t have sex outside of marriage’ and don’t live to an unrealistic standard of letting everyone else rob you; becuaes in the end you are the one that has to live with it…and all the emotional pain, and hurt that makes people ‘hateful’…

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Marc April 15, 2017 at 7:59 am

“Jesus does have a plan for everyone’s lives; it’s called paying back the sin”

No, Jesus paid it all. It is impossible for human people to pay for sin. Those who believe that God’s sacrifice on the cross is not enough are in fact not believing at all and are doing a sin that cannot be forgiven, since “he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16:16)

The addition of conditions to God’s sacrfice for salvation is called in the Bible a MIXTURE.

Faith is our SHIELD (Eph 6:16). Now king Salomon made shields of beaten gold from the 666 talents of gold from MERCHANTMEN, and of the TRAFFICK with the kings of Arabia. (1King 10)

Arab
H6148
ערב

A primitive root; to braid, that is, INTERMIX; technically to TRAFFIC (as if by barter); also to give or be security (as a kind of exchange): – engage, (inter-) meddle (with), mingle (self), mortgage, occupy, give pledges, be (-come, put in) surety, undertake.

H6154
ערב ערב

The second form used in 1Ki_10:15 with the article prefixed); from H6148; the web (or transverse threads of cloth); also a MIXTURE, (or mongrel race): – Arabia, mingled people, mixed (multitude), woof.

Now you will remember that all these key words: MERCHANTMEN, MIXTURE, TRAFFIC, are the topic spoken in Revelation 18 (about Babylone) and Revelation 13 (666, mark of the beast)

“Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her DOUBLE according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her DOUBLE.” (Rev 18:6)

Why rewarded “DOUBLE”?
Because half (50%) of the MIXTURE is good (faith) and the remaining half (50%) is sin, so the sinful half (50%) must be rewarded DOUBLE for the judgment to be complete, for ONE HALF TIME TWO EQUALS ONE COMPLETNESS. 50% x2 = 100%.

It’s the battle between the real sacrifice and the false sacrifice that began with Cain and Abel in Genesis 4.” Cain brought of the fruit of the ground” wich symbolize man made sacrifice, while Abel “brought of the firstlings of his flock” which symbolize Jesus.
That’s why it is written in the book of Revelation that the Babylon “was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.” (Rev 18:2)

“That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.” (Luke 11:50-52)

It’s an all-times religious system of mixture of God with man made sacrifice.

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Marc April 14, 2017 at 6:49 am

What about this one:

God HAD a wonderful plan for the life of Pharaoh:

“For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.” (Rom 9:17)

“And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.” (Ex 9:16)

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Wiltkobe April 7, 2017 at 7:58 am

God often meant this life too

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Nikki April 7, 2017 at 3:48 am

Love this – time for truth-telling. When people bang on about God having a “wonderful plan for your life” they generally mean THIS life … God often means the AFTERLIFE. ETERNAL life. I wonder how those “wonderful plan” people feel when they read in Hebrews that most believers throughout history have died without ever having seen the promise, and some of them lived in caves and got sawn in two. Not all of them received their dead back to life and all the wonderful “here and now” rewards. Thank you for speaking truth. Truth actually strengthens my faith because I see again that I have a God I can trust and believe in who is not going to blow over in the slightest breeze.

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Donna April 7, 2017 at 4:14 pm

Nikki,

You don’t have occasion to read the bible for yourself do you? Or you are in the phase most people are. That temporary phase where you think God is a nice idea but you don’t really need Him to do anything this side of heaven.

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lynn April 11, 2017 at 8:02 pm

I don’t get why people dismiss earthly rewards when God clearly stated in his that those promised apply to us.

So did God lie?

Oh I took those promised “literally”.

He meant in eternity

You seem to get to it though.

May I ask what your stance is on it?

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lynn April 11, 2017 at 8:04 pm

My comment is for you Donna

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Donna April 13, 2017 at 7:27 pm

Unfortunately church is a huge source of misinformation. People believe what the minister/priest says without ever reading for themselves. Jesus said He came that we might have (earthly) life more abundantly. Most promises are for LIVING not eternity.

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Judy July 4, 2017 at 1:38 pm

Hello Donna, I have gone to church since I was a little kid. I am 64 years old and recently quit going. I know what you mean, there is a lot of misinformation (or BS) being taught in the church. I used to tell people when I presented them with Christ to think about it, consider it, and don’t expect your life to be great or blessed. Expect your life to be hard, it will be hard because everything in the world will be against you when you accept Christ as Redeemer. That is what happens, spiritually we grow through adversity, while our flesh will diminish. It hurts like hell. It’s about how much you want to become Christ in the spirit because you love God the Father. Through that you become less selfish, more compassionate etc. Not fun and not for the faint of heart, because the world is set up for the selfish and uncaring. I realized that 30 years ago. As far as the organized church, I now call it a Bless Me Club. People there bless themselves and others according to the works they do there. Everything else that exists outside the doors of the building are less, or not blessed, but something to be endured until the next service. Too many narcissistic pastors later, I grew tired of trying to understand how that makes me more like Christ and left. It just isn’t there, how many times can one hear the same bible verses preached anyway. I wanted to yell, I KNOW ALREADY! Will probably never go back.

Donna July 8, 2017 at 8:44 pm

Hi Judy:

I recently quit too. I used to love church. I needed it so much a few years ago I actually hitchhiked twice when I missed my bus. That’s the only day in life I ever hitchhiked. The day I was going to miss my favorite day of the week: Sunday worship. There is no reason to go anymore. Once you see it’s just a stage show to collect money and they don’t care about you and God doesn’t care about you and nothing you do is seen or valued or makes a difference in your suffering in any way what’s the point. When all the rhema promises God makes to you are lies. The entire faith is a fraud and a lie. God is a real thing but we have no connection to Him so what’s the point. He has no love for us like He had for the suffering in the bible. I now believe that was just for demonstration purposes. It was real in that time but not because healing and miracles are freely available to anyone who needs them now. I don’t know about your other points. I didn’t get saved to be somebody else. Nobody can be like Christ and I was/am already compassionate, kind, caring, and selfless (altho not overboard with that last one). There was nothing to be fixed in the first place since I was born into the faith and taught it and followed it always from birth. Always agreed with God’s way. Never lived on the outs of God’s way. Never. Always did what is right in God’s eyes. So I didn’t get saved to be made over. Because that was never necessary. Not saying no tweaking is necessary but no re-manufacturing was ever necessary. In fact if I don’t survive it will be a true tragedy because I have spent my whole life doing what is right instead of living and enjoying life like everybody else and God is killing me for it not hugging me for it. I thought He wanted true believers but I am wrong. We are not to be nurtured and protected. We are to be destroyed and cast aside. I never loved an indifferent God. I only loved a God who loved me and He doesn’t. Not in the slightest. I have every unspoken worst nightmare I ever imagined in my life and he is not perturbed or moved to act in any way. He does not help us. He does not hear us. He does not WANT our lives to exist or succeed. He does not care if we spend our lives on a filthy stretcher on a Calcutta street or running a charity that ministers to millions. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE QUALITY OF HUMAN LIFE. ANY HUMAN LIFE. So what am I worshipping FOR anymore. It just feels hypocritical now when I even try. I still believe but my heart is not in it any more. I never signed up to be a slave and that is precisely all I am to Him. Yes I wanted something out of my Christianity for me. And that is just to be loved and protected. Just to have a life worth living. Even the one I wanted to live which was always just a basic good life, a modest holiday now and then, food, a home, friends and family, peace and health. I am devoid of that entire list. I have been a faithful fool my whole life.

Narcissistic pastors? I’m sure you and I could swap hilarity on that score. I have stories that would curl (or straighten) your hair. Like the time my pastor refused to preach the funeral of his most loyal armor bearer because the church and the whole community came out to mourn the deceased and Not to see HIM speak. He said so on mic. That is not the most outrageous story for that same man. Yeah, I left that church several years before that happened and a couple of years before a thriving popular congregation of over a thousand blew up and went to a few dozen spineless lemmings now. Everybody else rightly jumped ship.

Donna July 8, 2017 at 8:58 pm

Omitted: I can’t listen to the lies about how good God is and how He will bless us this way and that. It’s just marketing lies just like when the telemarketer tells you you’ve won a million dollars at random.

Marc July 9, 2017 at 7:14 am

Hi, Donna,

The rewards only come after the life.

“If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.” (1 Cor 15:19)

But you are right about the church. We are called to COME OUT OF HER (Rev 18:4), ie out of any organized religion system.
Church is something we become part of, NOT a place we have to go. In fact in the book of Revelation, for each of the 7 churches mentioned in the chapters 2 and 3 there is a corresponding period of time in history, and we are now in the last period, the Laodicean period. For that church Jesus says:

“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” (Rev 3:20). Note that Jesus is OUTSIDE, he want to enter inside but nobody opens the door. Why? because the church organizers don’t want Him to go inside to overthrew the tables (or smash the electric guitars) and say “It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.” (or a house of vile entertainment) like he did in the synagogue. (Mat 21:12-13)

Donna July 15, 2017 at 4:03 am

No Mark. That is not biblical. We’re going in circles. The bible and it’s stories are about living not just about the sweet by and by. That is just false. I will not look forward to death as no sane person would. That is morbid and sick. Even if death holds heaven. I have never been one of those.

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Donna July 16, 2017 at 8:41 am

God is NOT my father. He was a good egg. Never tortured me. Loved me. God is no mercy, no love, no relief, only torture.

Marc April 6, 2017 at 8:12 am

[Quote from article]
“Because the American Church is so enamored with this stupid theology about Jesus having a wonderful plan for our lives, many Christians do not know how to cope when misfortune strikes their fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.”
[end of quote]

Why “America Church”? English is an international language, and there are a lot of people (like me) from all over the world that land on pages like this one when they surf internet.

Do people think that elsewhere in the world the church is different or better? False gospels, American culture and rock music have already poluted the whole world. Where before in countries like for example Indonesy where there are tens of very special beautiful musical instruments, they now scratch electric guitars like elsewhere. (I use the term “scratch” pejoratively because these people that scratch guitar don’t know anything about music. “Music”? No I call this noise, not music. Term such as “playing” an instrument is to good for these people. By the way, those rock “singers” are not “singers, they never took any singing lessons, they just yell inside a microphone, and without a microphone, they can do nothing because they have no noise, they even don’t know how a singer must breath! they are here only because of their pride to make that demon inspirated awful noise that has now become a “standart” or a “mode” everywhere for those who know nothing about music. And the sermons now heard inside the churches everywhere is of the same “quality” than that of their music…

The devil has entered into the church

http://www.marcfalcone.com/index_files/Devilinthechurch.htm

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lynn pabon April 4, 2017 at 11:24 pm

I think we can all agree that alot of the promises of God are bs. I mean people need to stop being so close minded thinking that because someone is beinhg honest about who God is to them that they’ve sinned or are being selfish.

You all have to admit that some of his promises are meant to help us here. Stop with eternity. He promised to help us HERE AND NOW.

Alot of this denial from Christian’s I believe is because of fear of admitting the truth.

The truth is that you’re afraid of calling god out on his bs.

You: if I’m honest, god might get angry and send me to Hell

Let’s all be honest that fear of going to hell is what’s keeping you from admitting it.

God lied to us. He lied and he failed us.

All I need to do is read the testimonies here and include my personal experience and say with assurance that God lied.

Doesn’t anyone see that God only cares about himself? We are slaves nothing more.

We have to live a life of complete sacrifice and self denial. God gets all the glory from our suffering.

I know it’s sounds negative but it’s the raw truth. We are made to serve him and that’s all he cares about.

If we desire something, it’s judged as selfish and self centered. GODS WILL IS ALL THAT MATTERS.

Wake up. God is the asshole. HE IS THE HERO AND THE VILLIAN IN THE STORY especially when you want to bring his sovereignty in the discussion.

Think about Heaven too… The “reward” by serving God is to go to a place where we praise and worship him forever. Does that sound like a reward to you? Sounds like a reward for him.

Again… He cares ONLY for himself. He just wants slaves ( humans) included with his infinite angels doing his every fucking whim.

I’m a little off topic but I think you get my point.

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Nik April 14, 2017 at 11:59 pm

Wow. It’s obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. You’re obviously not well read on any of what you have just said.

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jcas April 15, 2017 at 12:26 am

HI u; hurting ; makes us understand that ;& being human too.. it is all sounding a little psychophantic.. and no true human can disagree.. that said, the unseen may just KNOW that he is MORE than our understanding; (it is written that G-d is LOVE). the reason that people are given a life without love is so that they can learn to appreciate LOVE but be independent of it..(and the odd bit of paying back karma and sin – since you think your opinion is greater than G-ds – go and earn the money, get the life you want.. if you are that much greater in your opinion.. and can ‘lead’ and suchlike.. here is your CHANCE to prove you are).. . and whilst it very much DOES hurt to suffer lack and pain, and be alone and poor and p’d off.. perhaps when LOVE comes back again; people will LEARN to be more appreciative of it (even if they were in the first place.. but acting on it less)…. so does G-d have angels drugged up on LOVE? Yes it seems so- but if they are intelligent angels ;they will understand that there is NOTHinG under the sun that would warrant not pleasing G-d/ LOVE as a result. .. Human guinea pigs that we are..because essentially – drunkenness, sexual sin, is grubby – and a life free from sin is much cleaner and more peaceful making.. Live life, make the most of it; because time is short…

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ftw April 15, 2017 at 3:21 am

shawn its summer got your message firm nbetween man and man world I know where ur at u visited danny and u contentioused me unconsciously. smn waz here for smn so be it mother denice father steve daughter rainey me summertime

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D April 3, 2017 at 11:56 pm

So true. While we live in our bubble of blessings, others are suffering . What about the plans that God has for them? Are we are blessed bc we are better? Or are we better bc we are blessed? do others suffer bc they are not blessed bc they must deserve what God delivers to them.? We pray for prosperity and others pray for survival. In America ,Is God personal bc we pray for something we want and is He impersonal to those who pray for something they need and often do not get? Confusing.

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TK April 3, 2017 at 6:48 am

Everyone has a story that brought them here. Here is mine –
In 2008, I had left my third high level executive position in three years. With the last one, I was recruited over three months to take a VP position, because I was a dedicated business person. Unfortunately the new company CEO was caught cheating the company six months after I was there, and the company had to divest itself. During that time, My real-estate holdings dropped by 45%, as did my finical investments due to market conditions. On the family side, my father was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer, my mother with dementia, and my youngest sister, who had MS and was living with and wholly dependent on my parents, had her second failed attempt with stem cell treatments. She was a quadriplegic. This all occurred within 9 months. I was 54.
I ended up in the ICU for 9 days with a breakdown. I ended up using up my 401k to pay bills, and was left with no way of paying it back, so the government came after me for everything. I had to short sell my assets, and leave the state I loved because I could not afford it. Eight years later, I have read the Bible twice, gave up anything that appeared to be a vice, and am living a simple meager existence. It was, the only option offered.
I never blamed God, for that is what people do who do not take responsibility. I have looked back endlessly over stuff that occurred in my life, tried to find the good or justification of many of my choices, right or wrong. I have wondered why and why there was not a better solution available, or why less deserving or more deviant people have not experienced such an outcome. Maybe that is why I do not give up, and never will. Life is not fair, ever was, but there were always opportunities. So, I will work my way out of what I feel is a lacking life, and again make change. I have learned blaming people, including myself, brings nothing. It is only what I do from here that matters. Listen to people who have been there. They are not offering advice just because. There is much to learn from them.

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Donna April 3, 2017 at 8:24 pm

Be careful with your judgementalism. You cannot know the sum total of what people have been through in one brief comment. But I such people always show up to pat themselves on the back.

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Donna April 3, 2017 at 8:57 pm

“When disaster befalls our brother or sister in Christ*, this creates anxiety in us. And out of our own anxiety, we become shitheads to our suffering friends.”

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Marc April 4, 2017 at 9:14 am

– “I ended up using up my 401k”

I don’t even know what 401k is.

– “My real-estate holdings dropped by 45%”.

AMEN!

If only property prices falled to 1% of their current value so that every familly can own ONE AND ONLY ONE house!!!

I am suffering for years because I have no home, and I deseperatly need a house, not for enjoyment, but to have a place where I can work. Without entering into details, for me NO HOUSE = NO WORK ! It is really really distressing to see the price of house never ceasing to increase when you don’t have an house. There are very bad people that buy houses and land for their personnal investment. THAT’S A CRIME!
These people enjoy seeing their property increasing their value and do everything possible to push the price up. You don’t know how distressing is for people like me to open the letter box and find inside everydays a ton of real estate flyers printed on luxery heavy paper with slogans like “sold at 30% higher price of asking value”, or “sold over $5 millions” with the picture of a house that I consider just an average house made with wood dust and glue without even any land.

Jesus said:

“He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.” (Luke 3:11)

What is valid for coat or meat is valid also for other things like cars and houses. How can it be that there are people that call themselves “Christians” and own several houses, even steal money of poor people asking them to give all their income for rent, all their life just to live in an house that they will never own?

While these people that are so enjoying investing are in their way, why not they also do the same thing with water and food, with drinkable water ten thousand dollars per liter and bread one thousand dollar a slice, so that they become even more rich and all other people on earth just die?

It is written:

“Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit? That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat?” (Amos 8:5-6)

That’s exactly what people that invest in real estate are doing. They make the land small, the price high, and the building material so bad, especially in North America and other English speaking nations, that even knocking on a wall leave a hole on it!

Jesus said:

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Mat 25:41-46)

“…Even so, come, Lord Jesus.” (Rev 22:20)

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Donna April 2, 2017 at 2:20 am

Thank you very much for the article. It’s the only truth that is possible to find on the internet amongst all the articles about how God is teaching you something, or you fucked up somehow, or worse God is crushing you so he can get the glory for your rescue. No, these are not the case. God knows our suffering. He’s probably even responsible for it. And usually he will do nothing to help in a crisis.

In the last church I was attached to the pastor’s younger brother-in-law shot himself in a suicide attempt. They announced in church a few weeks and then stopped mentioning it. After many months they mentioned it again that he was still blind and severely disabled but “praise God” he gets to come home now, like that was a miracle. This was a Pentecostal church where the saints are supposed to move in the gifts of the spirit. It’s a big part of the service in fact. Until you realize even the pastor can’t summon God to save his own family members.

I, myself, have been crying out to God for over two years to help me survive and save me from crushing poverty (of human enemy making) and tax foreclosure and while I was grateful that at least I still had my health and could have the hope of work if I could find it, a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer out of the blue. My parents lived and died and never had cancer. I have been healthy all the days of my life. I don’t even get colds more than every other year. And now when I am holding on to hope by my fingernails for a better life and am the most vulnerable and alone that I have ever been, now when I can least roll with the punches, it is now that I get a cancer diagnosis. Did I mention that I worked hard and excelled in my life before things went wrong? Did I mention that other than family the only thing I ever wanted from my life since early childhood was to be a person of quality and substance (not riches) and to make my mark on my generation. Yeah. I didn’t get a single, solitary, thing I wanted from my life and I was very careful to live right in God’s sight every day of my existence.

When I got the cancer diagnosis it was VERY clear to me that this thing (my life) was very personal. It wasn’t just some bad stuff happening. It was ALL of my personal, private, unspoken, worst nightmares simultaneously. I am facing certain, permanent homelessness (and not the soft kind) very soon. I had to leave my church home because of harassment there and have been bouncing churches ever since so I don’t even have that comfort. God seems to REALLY want me to have no bright spot whatsoever. Two years of prayers have ricocheted off the leaking ceiling. The only people who could have helped are already gone. I have been prayed for by everybody I can think of. I went to a Benny Hinn service for prayer and he shut down the prayer line just as I got to the front of it. I was literally the next person in line. I (stupidly) took a cheap flight I couldn’t afford to another state for expert prayer. Nothing. Every doctor I tried to see was horrifying or indifferent so I still haven’t gotten treatment. All this with a Rhema word that God would heal me. I have another one for finances which also is dead in the water for two years. I have lost my ability to worship (which I loved), my faith in prayer, my faith in the word, my faith in God’s love, and my faith in me. In panic and desperation, I put up a GoFundMe page in December. The local FB community refused to post it.

Obviously, I agree that Jesus doesn’t have a wonderful plan for every life or even for every obedient Christian’s life. I have wondered repeatedly why God just didn’t stay out of my life and it would have worked out much better. I am so sick of hearing that God has a destiny for your life. Really? The people who waste their lives away wrongfully imprisoned for 30 years have a destiny? I think not. The same goes for those of us in financial/material prison.

For those who said God never promised us a rose garden – WRONG. There are great benes to being a Christian BEFORE DEATH. Otherwise what would be enticing about it except for people on their death beds.

Psalms 91 is a promise to believers.

So is Deuteronomy 28:1-14 (when applied after the resurrection = our time).

There are fantastic promises to believers all over the bible. These are all bought and paid for by the shed blood of Jesus Christ. If only they were true.

Galations 3:29 (NIV) If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (the promises God made to Abraham’s descendants)

John 14:13-14 (NKJV)

Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

2 Corinthians 8:9 (NKJV)

9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.

Philippians 4:19 (NKJV)

19 And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus

1 Peter 2:24 (NKJV)

24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.

John 10:10 (NKJV)

10b I have come that they may have life [Zoe (gk), meaning natural life], and that they may have it more abundantly.

Hebrews 10:12-14 (AMP) Settles the sin/blame issue.

12 whereas Christ, having offered the one sacrifice [the all-sufficient sacrifice of Himself] for sins for all time, sat down [signifying the completion of atonement for sin] at the right hand of God [the position of honor], 13 waiting from that time onward until his enemies are made a footstool for His feet. 14 For by the one offering He has perfected forever and completely cleansed those who are being sanctified [bringing each believer to spiritual completion and maturity].

God can answer a one word prayer: HELP. He CAN do ANYTHING we need. He can PREVENT most bad stuff from happening in the first place (although he is not in control of people’s free will (remember Pharaoh); so stay away from murderers). And healing is in his absolute control. So if you are a faither and have prayed with hundreds of people (via TV) like I have there is no excuse not to be healed.

I agree with Abby and Jeffery who said that Christians have it much worse off than the evil doers. My faith was very high two years ago when I saw this horrific testimony of a Christian woman. It severely damaged my view of God ever since. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bqTTznrVl4. (First 8 min or so). Reading the bible also made things worse. Job. Paul. Joseph. Sampson. Moses. Daniel. All of the faithful seem to be thankless and disposable (the martyrs were unavoidable for their specific task). I was sure God would want to help me BE ALIVE but I have in NO way been able to prove that even to myself. I have prayed many times for him to show me he is real. Televangelists say he wants to “show up and show out”. I have not found that to be true. Yet people like Trump (and many others) can’t be slowed down no matter how disgusting they get. The other thing I am sick to death of are the people who say “pray for strength”. God is an all powerful being who promises to be a loving father. If you were starving would your dad just say be strong, son and walk away?? NO. Strong, silent, helpless, suffering is NOT the intent of the christian life. We were promised we could be overcomers. We were promised POWER in Jesus name. But reality is essentially 0% across the board and we all know what that means: That CANNOT be personal failure.

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I am asking EVERYONE who reads this to please give. Because time is SO SHORT I need 145 people, businesses, or ministries to please give 100 dollars to save the roof over my head so I can focus on the cancer (this is a MUST), by Monday April 10, 2017: as the only birthday gift I need (four days prior). Please do not ignore an exceptional life.

I am not asking anyone for their food or rent money, ONLY for those who can spare it and want to make a HUGE difference in a woman of God’s life. I am also NOT asking for prayer. It is much too late for that now. If you want to give a lesser amount I am SO grateful, but please understand I will need 300 people to give $45 and that is much less likely. I wish I had time for people to give 20 dollars here and there but that will spell certain failure and that’s just not an option. It’s very hard to have a need. No need to explain yourself.

*Thank you for sharing my story everywhere you can on social media. BUT please be mindful that the cancer diagnosis cannot be leaked to the general public. If God gives me this miracle I will still need to job search and that detail becoming public will make getting hired impossible. Please share my GoFundMe link instead of this post which protects me from that issue. You can read more there.

Thank you all so very much, Donna.

https://www.gofundme.com/donnas-very-last-stand-to-survive

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Marc April 5, 2017 at 3:08 pm

– “I went to a Benny Hinn service for prayer and he shut down the prayer line just as I got to the front of it.”

There are videos on youtube that explain why that Benny Hinn false prophet use security guards to block and repel sick people he is not able to heal. The true story is that Benny Hinn is unable to heal anybody, except those actors who have already been prepared to play for the “miracle show”. That’s why the body guards repel people coming in wheelchairs.

A long time ago I went to one of his “miracle show”. This is totally different than the EDITED show you can see on the TV. When I saw that instead of the bell melody heard on the TV, there are amplifier of thousands of Watt that make more noise that 10 airplanes running their engines at full power, I understood that this man cannot be sent by God. When people can not stand there even with earplugs, or have to leave the hall with blood coming out of the ears, how can this be from God?

Then I saw the guards rapidly repelling people in weelchairs that Benny Hinn was unable to heal on stage, but scenes like that, of course are cut from the edited TV shows.

“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” (Mat 24:24)

https://www.google.ca/search?q=youtube+benny+hinn+false+prophet&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=BWrlWNKoN4iN8QfSrrXYAw

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Brittany April 1, 2017 at 5:00 pm

Im not sure where i stand on this anymore? I do believe in God and all, but i cant help but feel angry with how things and life is. Not from what ive gone through in life, like being bullied by friends and family all my life, suffering from these staph infections i get every so often, and these mental illnesses i suffer from, and so on, but i feel so alone in all of this. Ive prayed and it seems like God is just letting me suffer. I mean, isnt enough, enough? I cant seem to get a break. I know there are others worse off than me, but i think my feelings matter, too? I feel so stuck. I want to be a christian, but with how im feeling, im bitter. Any advice on what to do?

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jcas April 15, 2017 at 12:08 am

Christianity is fairly simple; once you know …. ‘love your neighbour as yourself’ – which doesn’t mean ; love someone elses husband whilst their spouse is sick & ill – so as to procreate blue eyed boy upgrades… and omens at the birth of the second child do in no such way indemnify the spouse for the hurt caused…

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Brittany May 18, 2017 at 3:05 pm

If this is a reply to me, this made no sense at all…

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Donna April 1, 2017 at 4:48 pm

Marc (March 21, 2017 at 11:34 pm)

Two things:

1) My story is exactly the same as yours except I’m a few months ahead of being on the street for the rest of my life. I have begged God again and again for two years. He has not lifted one finger to give me the slightest help or even hope. In fact he has used my desperation to torment me (via the Holy Spirit) these last two plus years.

2) Thank you SO MUCH for Luke 17. I have NEVER read that verse for myself until today. I only recently (<2 years) found out that forgiveness was important to God. Since learning so and hearing so many (FALSE) sermons and admonitions on unforgiveness, I have become afraid to pray the Lord's prayer for fear of praying a curse on myself (so I just leave out the second half of the affected clause 😉). BUT this issue FINALLY makes since and God is, in fact, not stupid (forgive indiscriminately is stupid and dangerous) and doesn't demand that we just let people do whatever they want to us and we can't hold anybody accountable or protect ourselves in any way. WAAA HOOO. I can stop feeling spiritually defective on this and out of the will of God because, with the identical history as you, NOT ONE of my haters has EVER been repentant. EVER. So I am GOOOOD. AMEN.

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Martin March 21, 2017 at 5:33 pm

Who to blame: God, Satan, yourself, someone else.
Who cares? Or maybe more importantly, why care? It just sucks up your energy. Oh, and I forgot one. The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike. Another source of bad stuff.

Whatever the source of bad stuff, push it aside and keep going.
God Bless.

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Marc March 21, 2017 at 11:49 pm

” The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike.”

That’s true:

“…for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.” (Mat 5:45b)

But the problem arise when God take away the unbrella from people he hates to give it to people he loves…

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joy March 8, 2017 at 1:29 am

MY ADVICE TO THOSE WITH HEART BROKEN, AND HOW TO GET YOUR EX BACK ON TRACK.
My husband left again for the last time on Jan 7, 2015. We have been married for 28 years. He left for another woman, the third since 1996 that I know of, but it’s very painful. We have two children 27 and 25 yrs old and a grandson who is 7. Our life was never stable because of his affairs. I just wanted to believe that he would never do it again. He did and every time he left it was without warning. I never want to feel that feeling of wondering when or if he’ll leave when I walk out the door to go to work. But still i was ready for a better life with him despite all this, until i cried out and a friend directed me to a man called Prophet Abulele the online spell caster, with full expectation i write him on his email and explain everything to him, within a period of 7days he performed a greater work, my husband is back to the real man i got married to 28years ago. for any kind of relationship help reach out to him now on the internet. Type “Prophet Abulele the online love spell caster” on Google to see people talked about his good works and sincerity.

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jcas April 15, 2017 at 12:15 am

& also ; try reading the BOOK of ENOCH ; to find out where necromancers go when they die.. 🙂

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Jonathan May 19, 2017 at 9:50 am

Jcas I just loled

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Merry March 3, 2017 at 11:50 pm

“The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised.” (Job 1:21) Amen.

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Kurt March 26, 2017 at 2:21 am

That’s old testament. And has nothing to do with the finished work of Jesus Christ.

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Marc March 26, 2017 at 10:08 am

The 10 commandments also are in the old testament, so do you think that now we are free to steal, commit adultery, speak lies and commit murder?

God never changes (James 1:17)

How true is that verse: “The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised.” (Job 1:21)

It’s even more true now than before. But only those that are worthy are tested. Like Job said:

“You speak as a foolish woman speaks ,” he told her. “Should we accept only good from God and not adversity ? ” Throughout all this Job did not sin in what he said.” (Job 2:10)

I am not against accepting some kind of adversity for a time, I even used to apreciate them for a while, but it’s a thing to be tested for a while, and another thing to suffer receiving only the adversity all the time. That later thing is what I call be cursed and abandonned by God!

The work of God is not yet finished, the creation is still in progress. Six days of Creation means 6000 thousand years before the millenium, the 7th day when we will enter his into rest (for those that God loves). Only then the creation of man will be finished. In the book of Genesis God says for every thing he created “it was good”. I do not think that at this period of time we can say that. If the creation were already finished, then God would have failed to create humanity, as we cannot now say that the created man is good when we see all the crimes commited in this world. So if the first chapter of Genesis is still work in progress, we cannot discard the old testament and say that it doesn’t apply anymore.
But that it’s a problem with modern “Christianity”, if we can still call that “Christianity”. Now with the false gospel of hypergrace, a lot of people are deceived, thinking that they can be saved by reciting a magical formula like “I receive Jesus as my personal savior” and get a free ticket to heaven, while in the waiting abusing and adding burdens to the true Christian people that are already suffering.
The church as a local congregation, or organized religion “is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.” (Rev. 18:6)

http://www.marcfalcone.com/index_files/Devilinthechurch.htm

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Kobewilt February 28, 2017 at 9:58 am

Seems like a lot of people blaming God for things that they really should be blaming the devil for.

There are verses of God providing happiness for his people. There are verses of God saying to ask him anything and he will give it to you.

And your righteousness will go before you; the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard.
“Then you will call, and the Lord will answer; you will cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’ If you remove the yoke from your midst, the pointing of the finger and speaking wickedness,
And if you give yourself to the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then your light will rise in darkness and your gloom will become like midday.
“And the Lord will continually guide you, and satisfy your desire in scorched places, and give strength to your bones; and you will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.
“Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; you will raise up the age-old foundations; and you will be called the repairer of the breach, the restorer of the streets in which to dwell.
(Isaiah 58:8-12)

More promises from God to those who actually seek him.

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Daniel February 28, 2017 at 6:38 pm

Why should we blame the devil when he was created by God, and then appointed “Prince Of The World” – by God? Hard to wrap ones head around that.

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Kobewilt February 28, 2017 at 9:06 pm

It can be. Everyone has their choice on who they want to follow, and who they want to blame.

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Marc February 28, 2017 at 8:05 pm

“Seems like a lot of people blaming God for things that they really should be blaming the devil for” … “There are verses of God saying to ask him anything and he will give it to you.”

What is true is that God gives TO SATAN anything he asks:

“But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. (Job 1:11-12)

“But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. ” (Job 2:5-6)

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Kobewilt February 28, 2017 at 9:08 pm

He doesn’t give him anything he ask

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Mm March 13, 2017 at 1:12 pm

You minus will be believing in the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy it’s no different! The devil is stupid the whole idea of it is dumb? lake of fire? Sounds like a sci-fi novel!
Enjoy your life don’t waste your time with stupidness! The church is out-of-control you!

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Jeffrey H February 20, 2017 at 6:33 pm

So much for this supposed abundant life. I am thinking that verse I speak of was added later on.
What drama and waste of human life that is seen in the pages of the Bible and throughout all human history so only a very few people could suck it up and be a doormat and live a shitty life of self flagellation and self denial.
With an allegiance to my creator I would expect some help from time to time that those outside his will would not receive. But alas, we are somehow relegated to an even worse life than those who aren’t Christians.
Welp, better to do what your suppose to do and suffer than go to hell in the end.
Just because God is good doesn’t mean it’s beneficial to anything you desire. God is good because he says so. I can’t and won’t argue with the super power of the universe over what he says is good.

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Believer February 28, 2017 at 5:07 pm

Jeffrey H,

Yup, I’ve commented on many posts so far but what I’ve learned is to pray for understanding and strength. In this life you are often less powerful than you think if your happiness depends on your success in life you could be gambling with your sanity. I am also beginning to muster up the courage to pray to want what God wants for me in my life, eventually it’s just easier to give up on what you desire and ask god to desire what he has planned instead.

God asks that you not care too much about who is in your life, your money, reputation, house, fun, or basically anything that society tells us are things we need in order to be happy, but instead to be happy with God even if that meant you were homeless with no teeth and a missing leg; look up idolatry, anything you think you need to be happy in this life is a form of idolatry. Don’t expect anything but internal strength from God in this life, when I first started realizing God owes us absolutely nothing and that anything good we have is because he’s being generous, life started to seem depressing, I’m preparing to be an outcast because the way the lord expects us to live is almost the complete opposite of how the world is living now.

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Marc April 5, 2017 at 3:26 pm

“but instead to be happy with God even if that meant you were homeless with no teeth and a missing leg; look up idolatry,anything you think you need to be happy in this life is a form of idolatry”.

Well, with that reasonment, making homelessness, sickness, and malfortune as necessary things “to be happy with God” is just another form of idolatry. While you are at it, why not also beat yourself and practice self-chastising?

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Believer April 12, 2017 at 6:52 pm

Do you disagree that that’s what God wants from you? (And all of us?). You’re just taking what I said and twisting it.

“He said that, before choosing to follow him, a person should, “Count the cost.”

This is probably why so many people choose to ignore God, it’s easier & less disappointing. But we all have free will, you might not have known the “cost” before, but you know now.

Best of luck

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Marc April 13, 2017 at 8:07 am

– “He said that, before choosing to follow him, a person should, “Count the cost.”, “…you might not have known the “cost” before, but you know now.

Well, if I decide to call guide for an adventure journey, like hiking a tall mountain, before the journey begins, the guide will explain to me all the dangers of the journey, such as rockfalls, avalanches, lack of oxygen, tiredness, extreme cold, lightning, etc., how to avoid these dangers and what to do when something bad happens. How is it possible that for the biggest and longest advanture, to go even higher, to heaven, there are no guides for the peregrins to inform them of the dangers and the traps? Just semons like “Believe and you are saved whatever happens”? or lies like “Once saved always saved”? Nobody give instructions of what to do to survive when bad things happen. Only a Book too hard to understand… and when you fall your “brothers and sisters” sneers at you, even throw stones to you or cut the rope so you fall faster and even lower. You need to sleep for the night? That’s $3500 per night for a place in a tent when you are unable to buy your own tent for $10,000,000. And when you refuse to bear all the too heavy backpacks of all these “brothers and sisters”, the murderer disguised into guide tell you in a form of a story that you are like somebody drawning into the ocean that refuse the help of two boats and an helicopter!

– “it’s easier & less disappointing”

Well, I have for a very long time stopped to pray because of the disappointment of unanswered prayers, or worse, prayers that are answered negatively such as seing somebody you prayed for recovery from illness to instead die. Maybe it’s not the kind of things a Christian must do, but it feels better when you receive nothing because you ask nothing, at least you won’t feel cheated, you won’t argue with God, and you won’t blame God but just yourself because of being unable to find the reason why you are unable communicate with Him.
By “praying” here I mean formuling phrases and speak them to God. That kind of spoken prayer doesn’t work for me, but that does not mean I hate God and never meditate on his words, I only remain still and stop asking anything, trying to search what is wrong, why God only answer the prayer of other Christian and give good things to other people but not to me. And that is what lacks in the Christianity: a troubleshooting for communication with God problems. There are hundreds of books about prayers, but I found not one about troubleshooting for unanswered prayer. Maybe those who know the secret of good communication with God keep it for themselves, because when I ask these people that are able to communicate with God to pray for me and ask God what is wrong with me and what I must do to repair the broken communication, they never answer me back. Maybe they are lying when they say they have a good relationship with God, or is God answering them “don’t answer any anyhing to him” (to me)?

– “God asks that you not care too much about who is in your life, your money, reputation, house, fun, or basically anything that society tells us are things we need in order to be happy”

I thing the true path is in the middle, ot care too much about who is in your life, but also not fall into the opposite ravine of “religious spirituality” of accepting all malfortune and sickness as something compulsory and more important than God. That’s why the road to heaven is narrow, we have to maintain the correct equilibre on that narrow path between the ravine of the world and the ravine of the religious spirituality.

Donna April 13, 2017 at 7:46 pm

This is massively wrong. It is not a sin or unpleasing to God to want/expect a good, normal life. God does not require us to suffer unduly to please him. I don’t know what theology you follow but it is not right. Wanting a livable life IS NOT idolatry! God required the disciples and the first century church to endure certain things because of the danger of their assignment. That does not mean all Christians in the 21st century need to do the same. You have to know how to divide the word and apply common since. But if I used my personal experience to define God I would come up with similar nonsense. NO. NO. NO. Please take notes from my post and look up, read, and understand every one of those scriptures.

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Marc February 18, 2017 at 7:59 am

“He said that, before choosing to follow him, a person should, “Count the cost.”

Why I have not been told this? What is the “cost”? A lot of Christians are living beautiful lives, helping people, lacking of nothing, having their prayer heard and receiving miraculous things during their live. WHY JUST NOT ME?

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Abby February 17, 2017 at 3:00 pm

You see, the misconception about Christianity is that we are all happy go lucky and everything in life is going amazing. But this is not true at all. In fact, I think the Christians can (sometimes) have the hardest life. Often, the warfare is spiritual. BUT there is a peace that comes with knowing God and how much He loves us. Because He loves us, He wants the best for us. So does He have a plan? Who knows. But He does want the best for us. If that’s considered a “plan” than I guess it is. And the assumption that we have to constantly repent to keep in God’s good graces is actually pretty offensive. If we continually repent to “be holy” we never learn that we have already been holy as soon as we accepted Jesus into our hearts. When we continually repent to be holy, instead of from a position of being holy, it’s like we are asking God to crucify His son once more. And do not mistake this for a “license to sin” because that is not true. Yes we should be good people and do good deeds but no deed is good unless it is produced out of love. And no one can understand love until they understand the Father’s love and the price He payed for us.
Have a great day and never forget how loved you are in the midst of the storm.
Abby

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Marc February 17, 2017 at 3:31 pm

“BUT there is a peace that comes with knowing God and how much He loves us”

Sorry, but I do NOT know that peace. I am a Christian for already more than 40 years and I can tell you: there is absolutely NO PEACE AT ALL, ONLY SLOW AND NEVERLASTING SUFFERINGS EVERY DAYS

“Because He loves us, He wants the best for us.”

That’s a lie. What is the best for me, to remain homeless until I die, suffering various kind of injustices all day long, because all of you that say are “brothers and sisters in Christ” are too selfish to share anything or help people in need?

It’s easy for you to say to have peace while enjoying all what you say “God gives to you” in your life. But for people like me, I can only consider Jesus as somebody that since 2000 years ago only remain sitted at the right side of his Father without doing anything or having any compassion for poor non-stop suffering peoples.

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Jojo February 17, 2017 at 9:03 pm

@Marc…..Um, despite all the false teachings, Jesus had no where to rest his head. He certainly was not rich and didn’t pull a salary like today’s so called men of God. Jesus also traveled on foot and not in privately owned million dollar jets. Jesus also was not a high profiled author and celebrity who wrote books like we see today of so many who wanna make a buck. He was the word that became flesh, no need to be on the bestsellers list. Jesus fed the 5 thousand and did not ask first for a pledge or promise of becoming a member. Jesus gave the gospel free of charge! And Jesus sacrificed his very life gladly, for the life you do not want for the life you could have. Am I getting thru to you yet? This world does not love God more then themselves…the evidence is strikingly clear and all around us. Everyone is suspect especially your preacher. Sooner or later we’re all going to end up in the bread lines so just do good, be of good chear and know that the very son of God, God himself knows what this life here on earth feels like bc he has been where you are. He has endured every suffering more then we could ever imagine. We have not suffered to the point of bloodshed like Jesus did. I know your pain bc I’ve had hard times too but they will not be in vain. Forget Man cling to God and as bad as it gets know it is a sign of what’s to come and what must happen. These and other events are now unfolding before our very eyes and many who now have will have not. Just keep the faith, don’t give up…do not cast away your confidence for the first will be last and the last will be first!

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Marc February 18, 2017 at 7:13 am

“He certainly was not rich and didn’t pull a salary like today’s so called men of God.”

He was the richer of all. He can just instantly duplicate fishes and feed 5 thousand as you say or create or do anything he wanted instantly, including resurrecting dead people. What more somebody can ask for? He did not even had to handle cash money, what are people saying that “He was not rich”? The richer man on earth cannot do one billionth of things Jesus did, and when he absolutely needed cash money, he just ordered people to go to fish one fish and there is a treasure inside the stomach of the fish!

“Jesus also traveled on foot and not in privately owned million dollar jets”

He did not need a jet, nor even a boat as He can walk on the water, fly to heaven and go anywhere instantly if he wanted. And what is wrong with a jet? It’s like a private car: If you never need a car, you just take a taxi one or two times in a year, but if you need to go out everyday, you cannot pay for a taxy everyday. That’s the same thing with airplanes, if you only go to vacation one time a year, you buy an air ticket, but if you need to go to three cities in different countries every week then you NEED a private jet or you will waste a furtune in air tickets if you can even find all the places and planes you need every weeks. (By the way I have a private pilot license, but now do not even own a bicyclette!) A lot of people, including these “pastors” own houses and properties that cost a lot more than a private jet, and they share absolutely NOTHING to people in need but instead enslave poor people by forcing them to pay dimes for not going to hell! As a “member of the body of Christ”, they just PARRALYSE Christ Himself buy refusing to move to help as Christ (the Head of the body) ordered!

“Jesus also was not a high profiled author and celebrity who wrote books.”

That’s hillarious! You don’t know what a BIBLE is ???

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Jojo February 18, 2017 at 7:58 am

@Marc…Um, I’m not sure which side of the debate your on. Jesus was not in the business of aggrandizing, yet you seem to wanna make it so…you are suspect on so many levels…this ends here

Marc February 18, 2017 at 8:16 am

@Jojo… I’m on the side of a reader that reads a Book written by the most celebre Author and believes in that Author but feels DISAPOINTED as the promises written in the Book – such as “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you” (Mat 7:7) – never come but instead all doors are jammed before his face…

Christine Bean February 8, 2017 at 10:15 pm

I don’t like it I don’t want it to be so, but Jesus, God never promised us a life of smooth sailing, no storms. what we are promised is He’d be with us every step of the way, and in fact He carries most of us most of the time.
I don’t remember when God first got my attention, I just know in my heart of hearts that God is God the first and the last forever and allways has been. That Jesus is God, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost) AND THAT GOD LOVES US so much that he gave his one and only Son(gave us Himself) to die for our sins, that we wouldn’t perish but have ever lasting life for for who believes He is who he says he is. 😍
I love God & how sad is it for people to love Him and then stop, I can’t understand understanding that so dad.

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Marc February 18, 2017 at 6:34 am

“what we are promised is He’d be with us every step of the way, and in fact He carries most of us most of the time.”

Well, maybe He is with YOU every step of the way and carries YOU most of the time, but NOT me! You wrote “most of us” and I am just not included in that groop.

“I love God & how sad is it for people to love Him and then stop, I can’t understand”

When you will have lost your house, your country, your familly, all your friends, your job, your health, etc as I have and when then God never hear your prayers but slam the door in your face when you knock, then you will understand.

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L February 26, 2017 at 8:23 pm

Marc, I feel as you do. Without making this long with a bunch of life details, I’ll get to the point. I spent my entire life believing in and loving God. I had a real personal relationship with Him, as they say. Yet, since I crawled out of the womb, I’ve had nothing but abuse from others, loss and heartache my entire life. I still loved God through it all… parental abuse on me, school bullying, etc. As I got older, I served God as a missionary, and then worked fulltime while putting my way through college to earn two degrees. Wanted to get married and have kids. Guess what? God allowed me to marry a very abusive man who pretended to be so Godly. The physical abuse cost me having a miscarriage, and then not able to have anymore children in my life. I also was in a freak accident and became injured enough, that my career for which I earned two degrees with honors, became useless, as I could not physically work. I am now losing my home, all my things, and nowhere to go, because other so called Christians, even family have betrayed me, saying it would be “an inconvenience” for them, or they don’t have room enough! Yet, they with large homes, and I with a small one, offered to give them room and board years ago when they needed help! I’ve helped so many people in my life, via money, charity, etc., just to be betrayed by so many people now. I feel I passed all trials and more I’m not even mentioning here, with flying colors, yet God is nowhere to be found, when I ask for nothing, except to keep my home so I have a roof over my head… the roof I worked so hard for. Where is God? I’m sick and tired of other Christians shoving bible versus down my throat, and walking away… as though that is suppose to make me feel better. I’m also tired of them assuming I have sinned or something, when I can say that I have been probably more devout in my faith for decades than most of them ever have been! You think JUST ONCE, God would give me a break in life, and at least let me live out the rest of my life and old age, in peace! There is much I have not mentioned here either, with how many trials God has thrown at me in my life, which includes even more that was done to me by others, and physical illness, etc.

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Believer February 26, 2017 at 10:11 pm

Hi L,

I understand your plea, we as Christians need to practice the act of caring in a more active way, we need to actually make an effort to help each other rather than just preach and leave. Being in need can be so lonely, and unfortunately during your greatest times of need is when you realize that people who actually help are rarer than you thought.

I’ve said this to Marc as well, honestly I don’t mean to annoy you because I know I can’t do much through the internet, but when I’m going through what feels like hell I ask the lord to give me peace, I tell him that without him literally taking over I won’t be able to shake my misery, I’ve broken down before and told God I needed him to take over and change my emotions otherwise I would be weak considering he tells us that HE can make us strong.

So, that’s what I do when my situation doesn’t change, I change the script and instead of asking for more money in my bank account, or a loving friend or whatever it is, I ask for a new mindset and a new mood because a changed heart and a changed attitude can make you feel on top of the world even when you have nothing.

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Kirk March 21, 2017 at 4:11 pm

Hi L,
I read your posts and my heart goes out to you. You are filled with anger, bitterness and depression with no end in sight.
Would you like this misery to stop?
If you do- read on;
You must forgive those who hurt you so badly – for in order to be forgiven we must forgive. You must let go of your bitterness and envy and sense of entitlement. You must repent for letting your heart be filled with darkness. That is your problem – your circumstances have blinded you.
I promise this in the name of Jesus Christ that when you repent for not forgiving, for envy, and for those other sins you know of, and when you ask God to bless you with peace, bless you with the ability to forgive, bless you to be content with the circumstances of your life and begin praying for others, especially those who have wronged you….
Once you do this you WILL experience a miracle in your heart. Satan has run circles around you and bound you with chains in misery and failure. Call upon Christ – He stands at the ready to give you all the good gifts you need- but you must humble yourself, ask forgiveness for your own sins and pray pray pray for the Lord to have mercy on your heart and heal it
I promise you in the name of Jesus Christ that you WILL overcome and you WILL see that Satan has been attacking you this entire time. Satan does not want you to repent or forgive – he wants you trapped and miserable and he hopes to shipwreck your faith.
Hold fast!!!! Endure sister and trust in the Lord with your whole heart and walk after Him, forgiving and blessing your enemies, giving what little you have to others. You are NOT being punished right now, but are being attacked.
Once you realize this your pain will end, your circumstances will not – but your joy will abound.
In Jesus name I say this to you – He stands at the door and knocks – put away your hurt and trust in Him
Open the door!
Your brother in truth and in similar circumstances
Kirk

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Believer March 21, 2017 at 5:23 pm

Kirk, I have been keeping up with the comments on this site, it’s the only christian site I found where I could actually communicate with other believers about our struggles.

I have already left a few comments here attempting to encourage those who explained their trials, although I’m going through my own.

it’s interesting what you just said to L in your comment. I can relate to your comment about forgiveness, maybe that’s what I’m struggling with in myself right now, being angry with others & myself. It is tremendously hard I know I’ve prayed for peace in my heart & forgiveness before, knowing that on my own I just didn’t have to power but was left with no change. Is there a scripture in the bible that says you have to forgive first in order to receive peace from God? If so can you provide it?

Marc March 21, 2017 at 11:34 pm

Hi Kirk,

There are a lot of abuse about forgiving. It is written:

Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and IF HE REPENT, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, AND SEVEN TIMES IN A DAY TURN AGAIN TO THEE, SAYING, I REPENT, thou shalt forgive him. (Luke 17:3-4)

Note that there is a condition before we have to forgive: that the person who have hurt us first REPENT.

When we read the Bible with attention, we can see that Jesus never forgave people like the Pharisee but instead spoke rude words to them. For example:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess…
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Mat 23:26,33)

In fact, forgiven to these kind of people who refuse to repent is a sin, because when you forgive them and let them continue doing evil you take part to their evil actions.

If poor abused Christian people are forced to forgive people that abuse them without hatred in order to be forgiven by God, then none of the Christians that suffer the most would be able to enter in heaven, while other people that had no need and consequently no problems to forgive would be the only people accepted in heaven?

It’s too easy and very injust to ask suffering people to do impossible things, and then accuse them when they fail to do these impossible things.

Donna April 2, 2017 at 12:59 am

L feels this way because she has been ignored by God. Her feelings are not the cause of her suffering they are the result of her suffering. Forgiveness DOES NOT fix the suffering. This is a made up excuse to blame the victim. Relief does not lie in the lap of the helpless. NEVER.

Donna April 1, 2017 at 5:03 pm

Two things:

L,

1) My story is exactly the same as yours except I’m a few months ahead of being on the street for the rest of my life. I have begged God again and again for two years. He has not lifted one finger to give me the slightest help or even hope. In fact he has used my desperation to torment me (via the Holy Spirit) these last two plus years.

Marc (March 21, 2017 at 11:34 pm)

2) Thank you SO MUCH for Luke 17. I have NEVER read that verse for myself until today. I only recently (<2 years) found out that forgiveness was important to God. Since learning so and hearing so many (FALSE) sermons and admonitions on unforgiveness, I have become afraid to pray the Lord's prayer for fear of praying a curse on myself (so I just leave out the second half of the affected clause 😉). BUT this issue FINALLY makes since and God is, in fact, not stupid (forgive indiscriminately is stupid and dangerous) and doesn't demand that we just let people do whatever they want to us and we can't hold anybody accountable or protect ourselves in any way. WAAA HOOO. I can stop feeling spiritually defective on this and out of the will of God because, with the identical history as you, NOT ONE of my haters has EVER been repentant. EVER. So I am GOOOOD. AMEN.

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Marc April 2, 2017 at 8:38 am

Donna,

Thank you for your amswer. You said:

– “I have become afraid to pray the Lord’s prayer for fear of praying a curse on myself (so I just leave out the second half of the affected clause 😉)”

It has been almost 50 years ago, but I still remember it: That’s exactly what the father of our Catholic church instructed us to do: to leave out the “for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.” part of the Lord’s prayer when we are unable to forgive someone we must forgive. But that won’t work, because the Lord himself said:

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Mat 6:14-15)

May I suggest a better thing to do when we have difficulty to forgive: replace that part with something like “and give me strength and make me willing to forgive the people I have to forgive”. In fact, when you acknowledge to God that you are unable to forgive, you show your humility, and that is what God likes the most of us.

– “NOT ONE of my haters has EVER been repentant. EVER. So I am GOOOOD. AMEN.”

You can (and the Lord even asks us to) pray for these kind of people, and then IF THEY REPENT, then you forgive them, if they don’t repent just let them in God’s hands.

Certainly you are good, but you have the right to admit and say it. I explain: jesus himself said:

“And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.” (Luke 18:19)

If Jesus himself said that is wrong to call Him “good” because “only God (the Father) is good”, how can we call ourself “good”?

That’s because all the goodness that is in Jesus, and also all the goodness that is in us come from God, and we have not the right to take for ourself that glory that is from God, otherwise we steal God his glory, and I can assure you that He will not let that happen!

Remember that in the book of Job it’s God himself that first call Job a just person:

“And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?” (Job 1:8)

But then at chapter 32 of the book we read that Elihu reproaches to Job:

“Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, BECAUSE HE JUSTIFIED HIMSELF RATHER THAN GOD.” (Job 32:2)

And later in the next chapter:

“Surely thou hast spoken in mine hearing, and I have heard the voice of thy words, saying, I am clean without transgression, I am innocent; neither is there iniquity in me. Behold, he findeth occasions against me, he counteth me for his enemy, He putteth my feet in the stocks, he marketh all my paths. Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man.” (Job 33:8-12)

So the real meaning of the whole book of Job is for each of us to be and act as a just person while NEVER EVER CONSIDER OURSELF AS JUST, because God is greater than man and glory belongs only to him.

Maybe that’s why good people suffer more: they do good but become they become the more and more proud of themselves and the more they argue for justice for their goodness, that in reality is GOD’s goodness, the more they are tempted and suffer.

It’s easer for a sinner to accept punishment and say: “I suffer because of my sins and I just desserve it”, than for a just to STOP saying “Why I am unjustly punished while I am a good person?”. And I have to confess it, I am very bad at doing it!

God bless you!

Marc April 2, 2017 at 10:24 am

“Since learning so and hearing so many (FALSE) sermons”

TAKE ATTENTION TO THIS VERSE:

“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matius 24:5)

The true meaning of this verse is NOT what the preachers say about it. This verse is NOT about false Christ or people pretenting to be Christ. The confusion about the meaning of this verse comes from the fact that this verse being spoken by JESUS HIMSELF ABOUT HIMSELF. This verse must be understand this way:

“For many shall come in my [Jesus] name, saying, I [Jesus] am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matius 24:5)

The deceivers are people saying that JESUS is the Christ, yet they deceive people. These are the wolves disguised in lamb inside the “churches” today! These deceivers are not saying that they themselves are Jesus, otherwise how can they deceive many? People are not so stupid to accept anybody that say “I am Christ” as the Christ. Nor is the devil stupid, as the Bible says that the devil is clever.

Prosperity gospel (give and you will be in abondance), hypergrace gospel (once saved always saved gospel), “believe and you will be saved” (without repentance) gospel, etc… these are all false gospels preached inside the “churches” today to attract more and more people. What they want is attendance… and money, so they try to please to most possible people, by attracting tnem inside an entertainment big theatre they call “church”, but are in fact “des of thieves”! They perform false miracles, use demonic rock / pop/ electric music composed under the the inspiration of Satan (rock singers themselves acknoledge it!) Funny sermons to make people laugh, sport events, music shows, the church has become the Babylon, “the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.” Remember,
“For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God” (1 Peter 4:17) What happened is that God removed his candlestick (Holy Spirit) out of his place (the church) and the place having become spiritually empty and free, the demonic spirits have invaded into the church. The Christ is OUTSIDE of the church, He is still knocking at the door, but the Laodicean (present end of time) last church won’t open. They are too busy at enjoying their evil entertainment and making money by abussing people saying lies like: “If you don’t come to the church, you are not a Christian and not saved”, and “If you don’t tithe you are thieves and will end into hell” (it’s the only time you will ever hear from them that there is a hell, otherwise their hypergrace gospel just say that everybody is saved whatever they are doing.

COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, THAT YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, AND THAT YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES. (REV 18:4)

The true “church” is not an organized religion inside a communauty building. The true church is made of all the true believers in Christ that worship the Father in spirit and in truth like it is written:

“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” (John 4:23)

Jesus never asked people to GO to a “church”. He asks people to BE the church. Tha’t two different things.

Donna April 3, 2017 at 12:44 am

Marc,

I meant that I am good to pray the prayer as written.

Marc April 2, 2017 at 8:47 am

@L, @Donna,

Someone suggested to me to just acknoledge and say to God that I am become unable to love him. I have done it and I feel that it helps. The possible explanation is that God is asking us:

“And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.” (Deut 6:5)

And when we confess that we are unable to do the more important thing God want from us, then we are expressing adequate humility…

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Believer April 12, 2017 at 7:14 pm

This is much more positive compared to your other comments. I will take from this even though it was directed towards a different commentator.

“Marc April 2, 2017 at 8:38 am
Donna,

Thank you for your amswer. You said:

– “I have become afraid to pray the Lord’s prayer for fear of praying a curse on myself (so I just leave out the second half of the affected clause 😉)”

It has been almost 50 years ago, but I still remember it: That’s exactly what the father of our Catholic church instructed us to do: to leave out the “for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.” part of the Lord’s prayer when we are unable to forgive someone we must forgive. But that won’t work, because the Lord himself said:

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Mat 6:14-15)

May I suggest a better thing to do when we have difficulty to forgive: replace that part with something like “and give me strength and make me willing to forgive the people I have to forgive”. In fact, when you acknowledge to God that you are unable to forgive, you show your humility, and that is what God likes the most of us.

– “NOT ONE of my haters has EVER been repentant. EVER. So I am GOOOOD. AMEN.”

You can (and the Lord even asks us to) pray for these kind of people, and then IF THEY REPENT, then you forgive them, if they don’t repent just let them in God’s hands.

Certainly you are good, but you have the right to admit and say it. I explain: jesus himself said:

“And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.” (Luke 18:19)

If Jesus himself said that is wrong to call Him “good” because “only God (the Father) is good”, how can we call ourself “good”?

That’s because all the goodness that is in Jesus, and also all the goodness that is in us come from God, and we have not the right to take for ourself that glory that is from God, otherwise we steal God his glory, and I can assure you that He will not let that happen!

Remember that in the book of Job it’s God himself that first call Job a just person:

“And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?” (Job 1:8)

But then at chapter 32 of the book we read that Elihu reproaches to Job:

“Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, BECAUSE HE JUSTIFIED HIMSELF RATHER THAN GOD.” (Job 32:2)

And later in the next chapter:

“Surely thou hast spoken in mine hearing, and I have heard the voice of thy words, saying, I am clean without transgression, I am innocent; neither is there iniquity in me. Behold, he findeth occasions against me, he counteth me for his enemy, He putteth my feet in the stocks, he marketh all my paths. Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man.” (Job 33:8-12)

So the real meaning of the whole book of Job is for each of us to be and act as a just person while NEVER EVER CONSIDER OURSELF AS JUST, because God is greater than man and glory belongs only to him.

Maybe that’s why good people suffer more: they do good but become they become the more and more proud of themselves and the more they argue for justice for their goodness, that in reality is GOD’s goodness, the more they are tempted and suffer.

It’s easer for a sinner to accept punishment and say: “I suffer because of my sins and I just desserve it”, than for a just to STOP saying “Why I am unjustly punished while I am a good person?”. And I have to confess it, I am very bad at doing it!

God bless you!”

Tj February 7, 2017 at 1:28 am

Perhaps Jesus does indeed have a wonderful amazing plan for my life. After all, you say it’s something he can’t do under any circumstance so perhaps God will be glorified by wonderful action packed amazing joyous blissful PLANS to thwart your theology

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Marc February 18, 2017 at 7:21 am

True, maybe Jesus does indeed have a wonderful amazing plan for my life, too… but the problem is that this plan is only a plan that is like a blueprint in a drawer closed with a lock and I don’t have the keys…

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Marie Longo February 4, 2017 at 6:05 pm

Hi Chloe- Thank you for your honest article. I became a Christian at 14, almost 46 years ago. God touched my life in a very strong conversion, and I have been blessed with many miraculous events, including recovery and healing from deadly Leukemia, (the doctors didn’t expect me to survive), but having said all of that, life has been a series of ups and downs; when I make it through one battle, it seems I face another 2 or 3 on the horizon. The Lord certainly hasn’t kept me in a protective bubble. I love God, and have always enjoyed going to church, singing to Him, and hearing the bible teachings, but I am weary, and I think the things you said hit the nail on the head for me. I can never forget Jesus, I will never be an atheist, I know He is real, but knowing He is real, and going through difficuties can lead to alot of “Why” questions, and a lot of discouragement.

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Marc February 18, 2017 at 7:43 am

” I can never forget Jesus, I will never be an atheist, I know He is real, but knowing He is real, and going through difficuties can lead to alot of “Why” questions, and a lot of discouragement.”

Well said! I agree, but the problem is: if Jesus Himnself does not save us from the difficulties AND the “brothers and sisters in Christ” who according to the Bible MUST HELP their brothers and sisters but DONT, then who will help us? Maybe you have friends that can help you, but I know nobody. When people hear about my needs, they just run like hell!
I must say one more time that at a time of intense suffering, the only person that gave me a glass of water to drink is Muslim! What a shame to Christianity! Isn’t written that we will be judged according to our work? Yet the preaching of “just believe in Jesus and you will be saved” is a lie. The devil also believe in Jesus, but he will be cast in the lake of fire! Faith without works is DEAD! All these people that call themselves “Christians” but are not will go to hell:

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (Mat 25:41-46)

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Believer February 21, 2017 at 8:37 pm

Marc,

I read your comments and identify with your frustrations, I am not going through the loss of basic needs such as a housing, food & loss of good health at the moment, but due to other issues, my soul is suffering so much on going devastation that I feel it physically. They say when you find your self unable to carry out daily tasks like getting out of bed it’s depression… It really sucks when things get that bad and it’s terrible when you know it could easily get much worse.

I have come to the realization long long ago that God does not promise any of us happiness in this life here on earth, technically we are cursed which is why we sin, suffer, and die. I give thanks that we are saved, although I can admit that being given a chance to eternal life after living on earth doesn’t excite me that much, and it doesn’t make me all of a sudden immune to feeling pain.

Following Christ doesn’t make life easier, in fact it’s more challenging because he asks us to rise above all things we think are naturally human. He asks us not to do things our body naturally wants us to do, for example sex, unless we are married. He asks us not to fight people who fight us first, he tells us to love our ENEMIES! He also tells us to pray for those who hurt us, he asks us not to seek revenge against those who do us wrong.

He also tells us not to depend on earthly things to make us happy… this basically sums up your problem, my problem and pretty much every human’s problem. All things on earth are fleeting, meaning nothing on earth is forever our material things, animals, and people, so even our loved ones, the people in our lives that Jesus tells us to love and be kind to are the same fleeting things Jesus also tells us not to depend on.

Nothing on earth is forever so we shouldn’t depend on them to be happy, God is forever so we should look to God for our happiness… but this seems almost impossible, how can I as a human being not be devastated to be homeless, or at the death of a loved one, or having no money, or hardly anything to eat, or sickness, or loneliness?

Why would God put us on this earth, provide all these earthly things that we need to survive, then tell us NOT to depend on these things and to depend on him, but at the same time while we depend on him he tells us we should understand that he does NOT promise us stability, or happiness in return…

I struggle with this as well, I believe in God but I’m also unhappy with our unfair circumstances, and a lot of the times it doesn’t get better, it only prepares us for the more terrible things that are ahead.

What God promised us was his salvation and gift of eternal life we don’t have access to that yet as we are still in phase 1; life on earth. But hang in there.

Although I’m grateful for our second chance which is eternal life I still desire a successful life on earth, Sometimes it feels like the only way to truly only need God & to rise above everything that happens to us is to be emotionally, psychologically and physically numb. But I guess that’s also apart of his grace, allowing us to feel pleasure and pain so that we will truly be grateful for his salvation.

P.S. Sorry for the rambling

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Marc February 22, 2017 at 9:34 am

Believer,

Thank you for your comment. Like you, I’m grateful for the eternal life and I still desire a successful life on earth. We are to bear fruits, to gather fruit unto life eternal, but how can I bear fruits when I am restricted to live in a basement, without seing people, being rejected everywhere? Only by typing on the keyboard of my old computer?

It is written:

“… I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” (John 10:10b)

Where is that abundance? I would like to have that abundance, but I haven not it, nor spiritual abundance, neither material abundance. What is wrong here?

“But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.” (Mat 6:33),

“If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?” (Mat 7:11),

“He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?” (Rom 8:32)

According to these verses, Either I am NOT a child of God, or otherwise these verses are lies. If someone that is saved can also obtain “all things”, then because I don’t have these “all things” I am in the right to doubt about my salvation. I accept that there are period of testing our faith, and I used to enjoy these testings, but when all the bad things never stop during 40 years, then this not a “testing of faith”, I call this “a curse!”.

“For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.” (Luke 19:26)

How true this verse is: rich people become the more and more rich, and the poor the more and more poor, again, this is true both spiritually and materially. I am of those whom all things are taken away, spiritually and materially.

The worse is that I am a person that like to help other people, but God don’t allow it. I used to freely drive people in a church, and as for gratitude, church people began to hate me, then I lost my car… 2 times, lost all my money and was abused and mistreated… I bought two small articles online last month, both parcels have been lost! What have I to say “thank you God?” How can I still love God if He treats me like that every days, all lifelong like that? What is wrong here? Of course, always the same reason: my sins, my sins, and my sins, God is alway just and I am always wrong…

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Believer February 23, 2017 at 12:59 am

Marc,

Your welcome and thank you for your reply. Remember the story of Job and how he lost everything despite being seemingly innocent and loyal to God? Watch this story in animation form if you can it’s really nice, it may help remind you that sometimes God allows us to suffer though he’s not punishing us. But keep in mind the point of Job’s story is not that he got everything back in the end… because that doesn’t always happen, God decided to do that for his own reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GswSg2ohqmA

You have to remember to read these scriptures in context, even in the scriptures you mentioned are not promises of this world, he is promising that spiritually we can endure anything as long as we depend on him, not that we will have nice things or even family and friends. I will be doing more bible studying to heighten my knowledge of his word though, I want to understand the scriptures more.

Keep in mind, God loves every single one of us and still there are some people who suffer all their lives, there are people who loose everything and everyone that made their life worth living (Just like Job from the bible did), and there are people who die awful painful deaths… do the things they suffer mean God doesn’t love them? does it mean they are being punished? No, the same goes for you, you could have the worst life on this planet and it wouldn’t mean God loves you any less. Sadly this life can feel like hell on earth… and it’s frustrating when you beg and plead through prayer only to wake up in the same misery, but we are cursed and you cannot earn god’s mercy you can only hope/pray for it, according to God there isn’t a human alive or dead that is “deserving” of anything, the only reason any of us have ever had anything good is because of God’s kindness, anything good is simply a gift but not a reward, remember if Jesus didn’t die on that cross we would all go to eternal hell after death no matter how many good deeds we offered because we were born sinners. So unfortunately all you can do is ask God to help you cope with what you are going through. In my times of need I realized that sometimes the situation just wasn’t going to change no matter how much I wished it would. So, I changed the way I prayed, I would thank God for everything he gave me in the past, then I pray that he heals my heart and pray that he changes the way I think in order to help me DEAL with the situation. The key is to ask him for strength, ask him to change your attitude instead of asking him to change the situation. Again, the key is praying for him to change and heal your soul not to change the worldly things.

This will be hard at first but please try it, it is so amazing how much peace and comfort you can feel after God touch’s you, I have witnessed his power first hand, you’d be amazed how you can go from an anxious angry person overwhelmed with pain and sorrow to suddenly calm and happy, and trust me it makes a huge difference.

I know it’s hard and when you feel so broken your mind can tell you that it would be impossible to be happy again unless you suddenly got what you wanted but your mind is lying to you, it is NOT impossible for you to go from depressed to happy after only praying, it’s not impossible to be in the same situation yet so at peace in your heart due to the Lord’s comfort.

So take a deep breath and try praying for peace and soul healing, I’d love to hear more from you and I would love to see if things improve for you.

Marc February 23, 2017 at 12:23 pm

Believer,

“Keep in mind, God loves every single one of us”

Sorry, this is wrong:

“As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.” (Rom 9:13-16)

You can compare the story of Job with my life if you want, after all my life is even worse, but I don’t need and I don’t want anymore any people like Job’ friends, I only need someone that rescue me or can tell me what I have to do to obtain God’s favor. Until now I have seen only people like Job’s friends that analyse or try to analyse my situation, but are unable to find any solution.
But thank you for introducing me a youtube video I can vote down.

Believer February 23, 2017 at 3:10 pm

Marc,

I could not reply to your newest reply for some reason, the reply button was not available. In the case of God loving Jacob and hating Esau take a look at this article https://www.gotquestions.org/Jacob-Esau-love-hate.html

I can’t fully analyse your situation because you haven’t told us your story of what you’re going through. Could you tell us? maybe myself or someone else might be able to help realistically.

I am also trying to earn God’s favor but sometimes it feels tiring and hopeless.

Believer February 21, 2017 at 8:53 pm

Also Marc, I forgot to mention I have also noticed how far un unified Christians can be sometimes, many of them are so caught up in the culture of making everything about business and profits that they forget to practice real kindness and charity. It often seems like many Christians have scheduled times for giving; usually around Christmas, and for the rest of the year won’t step outside of their sheltered comfort zone, I am guilty of this as well it’s just apart of north American culture to reach out but only within a safe comfortable distance.

I also notice Muslims are much more giving on average, sad yes very sad, to feel so alone in times of desperation when you certainly aren’t the only Christian living… shouldn’t we be closer? Ironically in greatest times of need or depressing times Christians seem hard to find and hard to connect to, even with so many churches the disconnect is very clear.

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Brian Woznaik February 4, 2017 at 12:50 am

We are living in a time where the people who want power are choosing fundamentally bad reasons for wanting to be leaders. Just mentioning Donald Trumps name, sends shivers down most people spines. When they stop and think of Presidents of days gone by like Cater, Regan, they smile, then they their eyes get fixed and they looked lost.

Donald Trump does not have a good reason to be a leader, other than his ego. He is fundamentally wrong for the job. His principles are wrong spirited. He activates paranoid people who are fundamentally bullies in nature.

He summons the spirit of cruel, and abusive people.

Why did people vote for him?

Right now , one of the reasons that a man like Trump, whose heart is in the wrong place, and who is a dark person, won is becuase he taps into the side of people who are fundamentally wrong spirited and who don’t care.

When people start to rant about “Jihadist blowing your head off.” What they’re really saying is “I don’t care that you healed over the last 15 years from the pain and suffering of 911. I’m now a paranoid person who is suspicious of everyone. ”

So today Trump is not ready to let our country heal and move forward.

Not unlike the hippie generation we as a country moved forward to more empathy, we needed to for ourselves for our own happiness our own forgiveness for those who harmed us.

By doing so we were ready to let the pain go.

When Trump will not allow us to move forward, he is taking us backward to 911 and reliving the horror.

None of us, not many of us want to go back there.

He is good at pushing people buttons when they are alone, when they are most vulnerable to fear.

So are feminist. They are masters at making women afraid of men, turning women against men, against all of the things that make working with someone pleasant.

So it goes, on and on, women use fear to inspire other women to turn again men.

So Feminist recognize the same tatics that Trump. Because they use them. So does your mother against your father.

It’s the person like Trump who will not listen to reason, that has the same spirit and communism, feminism, socialism.

Defeating the human spirit, and individual.

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Marc February 18, 2017 at 7:47 am

Unfortunately, we all have to wait until the Millenium after Jesus will have come back to have a good Politician…

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Helen Schirmer February 2, 2017 at 8:13 pm

Yep. Telling people God will restore their lives
If they pray for it is not true at all. It is a ploy
to keep the tithes coming in and the pews
full. It only postpones the time when reality
will sink in. If there is a God of this universe,
he is unpredictable, random, and silent. He cannot be counted on to reduce or overcome
your suffering either. Even getting others to pray for you delivers the same nothing result.
suf

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Martin February 2, 2017 at 8:28 pm

It is not about God performing. It is a question of whether you believe or not. If you believe in the promise of Heaven, you will keep trusting and serving God. If you believe in the reality of hell, you’ll keep serving God. If you don’t really believe these things are real, and God is not blessing you in the fashion you would like, you toss it all. As for ploys, sure, that happens. Read Revelation about the 7 churches. Many great lessons to be learned there. Churches are imperfect. Just like us. And yet God suffers that they continue on, even if they bear little fruit. The simple fact is, you pretty much should expect imperfections in whatever church you go to. Christianity is not a walk along the yellow brick road. It is a slog through the mud. Put on you hip boots and keep slogging. Or quit. Your choice.

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Marc February 3, 2017 at 8:40 am

“Read Revelation about the 7 churches. Many great lessons to be learned there. Churches are imperfect. Just like us. And yet God suffers that they continue on, even if they bear little fruit.”

If we read carefully Revelation chapters 2 and 3 (and also other verses) we discover that there is a time when God PUT A END to the “Church” that now in the endtime has become the “Churchianity” that opposes the true Christianity. It’s not about a church that “bear little fruit”, it’s about a “church” that now only bear a lot of EVIL fruit.

It is written: “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God” (1 Pet. 4:17) and that has already happened:

“Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. (Rev. 2:5)

“So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Rev. 3:16)

These verses mean that God has withdrawn his Holy Spirit from these local congregations people call “churches” but in fact are dens of thieves. Because that place has become spiritually empty, demonic spirit went inside to take the place, and this is why now the “church” “is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.” (Rev. 18:2)

In fact, the church has become a place of demonic rock music entertainment, and only those people who are no more able to endure sound doctrine continue to go to these demonic “churches”:

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears” (2Ti 4:3)

True born-again Christians have already done what God commanded to his people: “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Rev. 18:4)

The Church is made of every true believer PEOPLE. The church is NOT a place where people can go. Church is not a big theatre, not a communauty center, not a concert hall and not a sport ground.

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Marc February 9, 2017 at 8:22 am

“He cannot be counted on to reduce or overcome your suffering either. Even getting others to pray for you delivers the same nothing result.”

That’s just because the others you say are not willing to do anything other than praying for you (if even they will pray) to help you. It’s not the fault of God, the Head of the body, but because of that “others” that must ACT like true members of the body of Christ but don’t. If all these “Christians” instead of taking luxury vacations every years, buying second or third houses and luxury cars, they helped their brothers and sisters in Christ like commanded in Luke 3:11, there will be no intense and long enough sufferings that cause people to stop loving God. But unfortunately it is written:

“…in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof…” (2Ti 3:1-5)

And what is written here is now happening, we are now in these perilous times. For how long? Until Jesus comes back! Unfortunately, it is written that except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved (Mat.24:22)

There is no hope. All false Christians are florishing in these dens of thieves people call “churches”, while true Christians are dying spiritually in their sufferings, uncared, beacuse ot these false-Christians church-goer peoples. Churchianity has killed Christianity.

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Lisa January 20, 2017 at 12:49 pm

Thank you! From a severe cradle Catholic!!

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Sheri Leyva January 20, 2017 at 8:51 am

Wow thank you for putting words to with as been in my heart for years!! I’m not alone in my belief after all!

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Marc January 18, 2017 at 5:33 pm

In fact there would be no misfortune like the loss of a home, or financial disaster if all that call themselves “brother and sisters in Christ” have true love one for each other.

CHRISTIANS SUFFER ONLY AS FAR AS THEIR FALSE “BROTHER AND SISTERS IN CHRIST” REFUSE TO HELP THEM!

But now Churchianity has replaced Christianity. In these big tens of millions dollar theatre building called “churches” where money is harvested by tens of thousands dollars each month (or even each week) we can hear sermons like “Do NOT help people in need because God himself will take care of them”. If these “brothers and sisters in Christ” will do what Jesus said, there will be NO Christians suffering for being homeless or bankrupt. But these “brothers and sisters in Christ” are now paralysing Christ. Christ, as the HEAD of the body command to help, but his members don’t respond! Jesus is paralysed because his members, these “brothers and sisters in Christ” that refuse to obey what the head command. It is written”

“He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise. (Luke 3:11)

Here “coats” and “meat” are examples. What is said about coatsand meat is valide also for other things like houses. Then how is it possible that some Christians own more than one house while other have homeless? Why there is money to build big theatre but nothing to share? These churches have only become dens of thieves, where are performed evil entertainment like demonic “Christian” rock music to keep attendance and income! Elder enjoy luxury vacations to Israel (or elsewhere), own private jets, $100,000,000 homes, etc. These thieves abuse people saying things like “If you don’t come to church you are not a Christian”, and “If you don’t tithe you are thieves that live in stohlen houses, drive stohlen cars and wear stohlen garnments”, and to be sure that they recolt ALL that they are able to force people to give by abusing Malachi 3:10, they now tell these sermons: “Do NOT give to people in need…”, because they want to recolt ALL for themselves!

The Church has become “the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird”, the babylon of Rev 18, and true Christians are asked to LEAVE THE CHURCH NOW.

WAKE UP! LEAVE THESE EVIL “CHURCHES”, STOP FEEDING THESE THIEVES, LET THESE WOLVES DISGUISED IN SHEEP FALSE PASTORS PREACHING THEIR WASHED-DOWN FALSE EVANGEL LOSE ALL WHAT THEY HAVE UNJUSTLY COLLECTED WHILE ABUSING POOR PEOPLE!

Jesus never said to us to go to a church, he said to us to BE the church.

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William December 19, 2016 at 4:04 am

Jeremiah 29:11

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Marc January 18, 2017 at 5:34 pm
Daniel January 18, 2017 at 8:36 pm

In response to Jeramiah 11, why do people claim this verse as their own? It doesn’t matter what the verse means because God was talking to and referring to ancient Israelites thousands of years ago, in a specific situation applicable to THOSE particular people, at that particular time.. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with us. People do this with so many verses in the bible. I don’t know why.

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Daniel January 18, 2017 at 8:37 pm

Jeremiah 29:11.. Sorry for the typo.

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Erik December 16, 2016 at 9:28 pm

Keep in mind the apostles lives were very difficult. Who was ever closer to Jesus than this group o men, I would say no one. Just because you have chalanges, suffering, and even a terrible death does not mean you aren’t close to God. Being a Christian does not shelter you from the storms in life. Don’t fool yourself, more believers who make this mistake are totally lost when it comes to their faith or belief system when the storms of life rattle you to the core. Sometimes your belief system as God being the ultimate author of every detail of your life is questioned. Who is this God who would allow such evil to happen to me a believer. We can witness horrific things in our life and see the face of evil and despair in this fragile state we are in. It is inevitable, we all will die. It might be a quick passing or it may be long and hard ordeal, breaking us down. We set God up, to take the fall for the awful things that happen to people or ourselves. Why didn’t Jesus give the Apostles the good life of great health and limitless wealth. We are putting too much stock in the hear and now. God never intended for us to put all or chips in the hear and now. A lot of the things we fill our life with can be distractions. Jesus said for us too follow him we must make sure and weigh thecosts. If we don’t considerate on Christ crucified we can lose sight of the prize which is to follow Jesus to the end which includes our end.

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Tom A. Ramsell December 9, 2016 at 10:57 am

“For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” – Jeremiah 29:11

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Rick December 10, 2016 at 11:51 am

http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/christian-trends/stop-taking-jeremiah-29-11-out-of-context.html

John 16:33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

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Greg Banter December 8, 2016 at 8:47 am

Im going through this right now with my wife ‘ i cant get her to understand that the Prosperity Gospel Church that she goes to is a false spirit ‘ she keeps telling me god is going to break me down and sift me because I’m so negative

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SuicidalSaviour December 6, 2016 at 4:27 am

Wow. I can’t tell you how much comfort this has brought me. I am so sick to death of this idea that God makes all the monsters go away. God loves the monsters as much as he loves me. Which only serves to prove that, though I may not know what love is, I know what it isn’t, and it isn’t protecting you from evil. At best, perhaps we can lean into a Jesus who says “Yeah, life sucks, but one day it won’t anymore. Hang in there”. I think that is the best anyone can hope for.

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Gina. Cuneo December 1, 2016 at 5:27 am

I really enjoyed this!

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Jay November 13, 2016 at 8:17 am

Jesus is there for us, the plan he has may not be on this earth but up with him in heaven. To pray for money or fame or comfort is to reduce him to nothing more than a rabbit’s foot. God will not listen to such childish remarks. Jesus suffered more than any of else can or ever will imagine. We need to be ashamed of ourselves, me included when we think just becuase Jesus did not get me a new jaguar XJ7 or gave me that new job or didn’t save my marriage that he does not listen or care. Jesus proved that by dying on the cross for us. We need to be like him and follow him, me included.

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Martin November 13, 2016 at 7:20 pm

Jay, your post brings up some interesting points. I am a real stickler for technicalities. “Jesus suffered more than any of else can or ever will imagine.” I don’t think the account of Jesus life supports that theory. In fact, I actually think he did not suffer quite as much as we do. (Luckily, Jesus suffering or lack thereof is totally irrelevant to a good theology, in my opinion.) Or if he did suffer, he suffered in a very different way than we do.

The little to no suffering theory goes like this. The spirit inhabiting Jesus body was in heaven. He was a heavenly being. In all ways superior to us. Infinite in knowledge. One quip of Jesus rubs me the wrong way. When he says, oh ye of little faith. He is making a clear statement that we just cannot be of a strong faith. Or at least, not very easily. MY issue with this statement is, Dude, WE have not seen heaven. WE have not seen God face to face. WE did not witness the creation of the worlds. So chill with this oh ye of little faith crap. You SHOULD know how weak you made us. I don’t really think Jesus suffered SIGNIFICANTLY until he was on the cross. And I don’t think Jesus was capable of feeling fear. Why would he? He is the son of God. Why would he fear? I do think he REALLY suffered right at the end. Right when he cries out, my Lord, my Lord, why have you forsaken me. I don’t think Jesus would have, or could have made that statement if it were not true. Meaning? God took away all of Jesus knowledge and power right before his death. In that moment right before his death was the ONLY time Jesus REALLY knew what it was to be a weak, ignorant human. He was NEVER as weak and as ignorant as we are at any other time. But, going from infinite knowledge and power to being a really truly weak ignorant human right before death would have left Jesus quite an impression of what the human condition is really like.

The other theory is Jesus suffered differently than we did. The Gross World theory. The end would have been the same as what I just described. His daily suffering would have been more like a horror movie. Jesus being so full of knowledge and power and righteousness would have been depressed and dismayed to near insanity seeing the deplorable condition of man. Our deceit and greed. Our lack of inherent righteousness. So, a different suffering.

Just a bit of musing with regard to Jesus suffering. Mostly just an intellectual exercise. Whatever the case on the suffering front, what counts MOST is that he did his job, and can offer us salvation.

I am also just a bit put off by the word ashamed. It is a generally correct sentiment, but it just feels like a thought process that may lead down an unproductive path. I think a thought process that is positive and does not risk the pitfall of possibly creating a shame complex is to gain perspective. Remind yourself of who God is and who you are. Remind yourself of the folly of setting yourself up as a judge of God or his actions. God is the creator of all. He is in a position to judge and rule over us. We are not in a position to judge or rule him. When we start judging God, that is where a lot of problems start.

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Jay November 13, 2016 at 7:36 pm

I am most certainly not placing myself any where near God. Are you saying that your situation whatever that might be is greater then the suffering that our Lord went through? Not just on the cross but through people mocking him and not following him despite his miracles.

How do you explain our existence, are we simply a roll of the cosmic dice? Or perhaps we are all part of a great alien computer program. Whatever your beliefs are you are allowed to have them and I will not challenge them, don’t challenge mine. What I or anyone else believe are valid for them. I believe that God exists and Jesus died and was resurrected for our sins. Following his simple teachings of loving our neighbor as we love ourselves to help, forgive and extend mercy are hallmarks of his teachings. Simple enough that children can understand, they need not be complicated, the pharisees tried to complicate religion and Jesus was not amused by the way they handled that. The pharisees were threatened by his simple message that was easily understood and the murdered him for it.

I appreciate your deep thought processes on this subject and I respect them, I ask the same in return. Bless you.

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Martin November 13, 2016 at 7:43 pm

Jay, pardon my bad manners. That’s just how I am. Your post was good. Sorry I did not say that before. It provoked me to think, and then I wrote out my thoughts. Nothing more, nothing less. Blessings to you as well.

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Joshua December 18, 2016 at 12:31 pm

You are awesome!! I’ve never heard such a genius but at the same time easily understood take on God and Jesus and life. Thank you!! 👍

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L February 26, 2017 at 8:51 pm

Yes, He suffered greatly, but at least it was only for a few hours. Many people who love God and follow Jesus, suffer their entire lives, despite loving God, being hard workers, etc.!

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Sarah November 9, 2016 at 2:38 pm

Hi.. I was a non-believer until early September. This was the culmination of 18 months of fighting for my soul from Satan. Everything I came to rely on, friends, career, even family for the most part… gone. I’m 50 and I have to rebuild everything in my life. Friendships. Relationships with my children. Work…. and the most important thing I’m building now, before all of it, is my relationship with Christ. I’m scared that I’ll die before I can rebuild anything. That I won’t make friends at my age. You name it, I have anxiety about it. God is helping me… but for the moment, he’s keeping me quiet and still and forcing me to not do anything but be with Him. Be there in any way you can for your friends going through suffering… believers or not. You never know when an unbeliever is going to hit bottom enough to open their heart to Christ. God Bless you.

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Josh December 8, 2016 at 5:33 pm

Sarah, thank you for articulating that. This is almost exactly where I am in life, and it’s so empty that I don’t know what to pray, or whether I’m angry at God, lost, or what. I don’t wish it in anyone, certainly not you. I wish you the best.

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Jackie November 6, 2016 at 7:09 am

I was a christian for decades and believed in the suffering for jesus bit and its not the trauma of a bad experience that left me bitter, it was the failure of god to be there in my time of need when i reached out and prayed to him and members of the church, and pastor. None of them showed up, nobody helped, and god abandoned me, period. God abandoned me and was not there to help me at all. And you cannot tell me otherwise. He may not have promised prosperity or certainty in good times – but he did promise never to leave us. He broke that promise to me and I can never trust in it again.

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Jodi November 6, 2016 at 8:26 am

Jackie, He hasn’t left you, you walked away from Him. Or maybe you’ve not believed in the real Christ but the worlds (man’s) made up one (prosperity gospel). He warned us life will be full of trouble. It’s our faith, something He gives us, that anchors us and is priceless! What you’ve described is the same that has happened to me but if we place our faith in men, we will lose. If our faith is firmly rooted in his promises, then we are free…we are not of this world, His promises, if we remain in him, will be way better then what this world could ever offer ! You’ve been wrongly taught, scrap it all and start over!

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Jesus sucks November 6, 2016 at 11:14 am

Wow, thanks for reaffirming the void of care and judgement that can only come from christian brainwashing. You don’t know me or the situation and automatically place blame on my lack of faith. I am glad I stopped going to church. All you statement does is attempt to perpetuate guilt and shame to manipulate me into believing.

God supposedly uses his people to appropriate his will and show himself all the time, but when his own people fail to do good all of a sudden he is not to blame? Any organization where the leadership does not take responsibility for its people deserves to fail. So why does your god get an exempt card?

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 7:12 am

Think about it. God is not a CEO, He is, if you are a Christian, the creator of EVERYTHING. You can choose not to believe, and I’ve certainly been there before, but you should not make absurd comparisons such as you have above. And I can assure you no on is manipulating you into believing in anything. I find it humorous that those who do not believe in God engage in rhetoric and analogies that are worse than what they attack in Christianity. If you don’t believe, why not go to atheists.org and comment there. Your comments here are obnoxious, as they do not even TRY to discuss biblical right or wrong intelligently.

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Brian Woznaik February 4, 2017 at 1:02 am

I think you need to take a good look in the mirror. What the Fuck did you say? I break out every single bad analogy that christian have made on any blog any day any time. They are bad. They are callous, without empathy, cold, nuerotic. I’m English major and enjoy being smarter than you, and I am. Believe me, your not that smart. But analyzing the one word in bible passage for 10 pages. That the sign of a mental illness. Most christian are very mentally challenged people. Some of your most christian people are vicoius. Or are greedy. They seem nice until you put them to them test. They stop being “fake nice’ when someone stops giving them cash or a cushy vacation ends. It way past that time. It’s about empathy. Christian don’t have any but for their agendas. Period.

Jay November 13, 2016 at 8:29 am

God gave us the freewill to choose to believe or not. It is your choice to not believe, I respect that and will pray for you. God does exist and he did send his only Son to save us from the grip of death. This past year I have lost my marriage, my job and my relationship with my wonderful step children, in other words it has been a terrible year. I could easily blame God for not being there for me to pick me up and make things right again. Guess what, not only is it NOT God’s fault I praise him for letting these things happen, why?? God knew I needed this and it has tested my faith to the brink and has brought me closer to him. He forced me to take a deep inner look at myself and what I saw was not pretty. It was ugly and I needed to change my life and who I was. I am still a work in progress but I know that God is there, I have opened my heart more to him than I ever did before all this happened. God knows more than we will ever know, he knows what we need and when we need it, his timing is perfect.

I am sad you choose to not believe but it is your choice, we are taught to have mercy and forgiveness to those you persecute you. I hope and pray that God will reveal himself to you at some point.

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PhD November 15, 2016 at 1:05 pm

I agree with Jackie on this, God is not present when we need Him; He is not involved in our lives.

Before Jim loses it, God certainly exists (I don’t think the poster Jesus Sucks stated otherwise). However, the good and bad that happen to us are a function of our choices, and the choices of everyone else. Given the world’s population of around 8 billion, all those choices add up to randomness. Jay says his hardships brought him closer to God, and that God knew he needed it. Then you say we don’t know God’s ways, only God knows all; so you’re really saying You ascribed that particular result to God. For millions of others, that same result destroys their life and their faith. Favoritism? Probably not, more likely indifference.

I’m a scientist by training, and I can clearly see everything was created, not by accident, thereby implying a Creator. However, all empirical evidence points to that Creator not being all-loving, all-caring, and perfectly just; just look at the world we live in, the evidence shows we’ve been left alone.

You’re of course welcome to your faith in a good, involved God, and I don’t disrespect it. However, I see so many suffer so much without reprieve, myself included, while many others live well. And when those who suffer cry out for help there is nothing but silence. Many others, myself included, call out for simple fellowship with God and are met with nothing, or have to manufacture a feeling. This is not a sign of God with a plan of any kind; its a sign of an indifferent God, one that’s given up this world to its vices.

I try to follow the basic principles laid out in the Bible, compassion to others, general kindness, etc. However, there is not reason to rely on God for anything; he isn’t listening anyway.

Martin November 15, 2016 at 5:22 pm

Nice post PhD. Cool to hear another person sees some “spin” on the ball when it comes to the natural world. I see this a lot too, though not through any heavy scientific knowledge, but more from a philosophical point of view.

God was not there for my hard times either. I was very angry, yet I did not lose respect for God. I was mad he did not “choose” to help me, and reach a different outcome of my troubles. I knew he could help. I also know he did not HAVE to. But I was pissed he did not CHOOSE to.

A Truism that I think is important to remember is, this world is a testing ground. WE are being tested by God, God is not setting himself to be tested by us. You may say that that is a bit contrived and convenient. But look at the bible stories. Take Abram/Abraham. God made big promises to him regarding his seed. Yet he had no children. And as his wife aged past her child bearing age, it seemed clear that God was not going to deliver. So his wife sent her handmaiden to him to conceive. And then God came through.

I lean more toward the notion that God is neither indifferent or doting. God lays out a challenge before, lays out our test, and lets things run their course. We will then get through or not.

Our faith in God cannot grow and become stronger unless it is tested. Again, you could that this is a convenient, contrived belief. But it is a Truism in other areas of life. It is a Truism in the Christian walk as well.

L February 26, 2017 at 8:55 pm

Jodi, STOP WITH YOUR BS ALREADY! You judge others for what you think they did or did not do… strangers online, and assume A LOT! All you can come up with in return, is the same BS that a million of your kind produce all the time, because you don’t know the answer or what to say!

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Jodi February 28, 2017 at 5:58 am

BS? You feel this way bc your following false teachers! Be a fact checker and if you don’t like my BS then kindly move on…

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Kelly Sicard November 1, 2016 at 8:08 pm

Absolute truth well spoken.

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Martin November 1, 2016 at 7:24 am

Worry and “Living in the Moment”. I have had occasion to give some thought recently to Living in the Moment. What does it mean? Well, right now, I am Living in the Moment. Right now I have Intent. I want to DO something. Share a perspective that might resonate with someone, and help ease their pain. Trying to Ease Pain is the focus, and me actually writing is the Action I am actually taking. So living in the moment can be broken down to having Intent in the moment: Having a Focus, and taking Action to try and bring about what you are Focusing on.

I think it is safe to say that many people who end up here have and are doing a good amount of worrying. I worry a lot. But a funny thing about worry: Worry does not exist in the moment. We worry about things past, though this might be construed more as regret. And we worry about the future. Things that have not happened.

Matt 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

I never really could get my head around Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. Why “evil thereof”? ?? Anyway….. just me thinking about living more “in the moment” reminded me of this verse. Are they connected? Maybe. Just the notion of “being where you are”, and “doing what you are doing” seemed to resonate with me. Being focused on doing something is great for killing time spent worrying. So, live in the moment. Just throwing that out there. Maybe it will click with someone. 🙂

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Jeffrey November 27, 2016 at 8:54 pm

Well said…moments are what we were given..

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Jim November 28, 2016 at 7:20 am

Good Day:

Don’t know if the following is super on-topic, but I have the unction to write anyway. Within the past two years, I have lost my mother, than a little more than a year later, my father. This is in addition to the younger brother and older sister taken by drunk drivers when I was a teen. I feel very little in the way of comfort from God, but I DO get quite of bit of assistance with my grief from fellow church members, now that my wife and I have found a REAL church, and not just a “it’s what we do on Sundays” church. This church sends missionaries to Haiti, the poorest parts of Mexico, etc. again and again. They preach the Word of God ONLY! I had a “pastor” at a LCMS church whose sermons were frequently more like Sports Center than a sermon, as he’d preach about how some baseball player was really like Christ, or some such blasphemy, as this is what kept ’em coming’, along with their donations. I was out of work when we started going to our new church, and within two weeks of this time, our water heater’s lining broke (the linings are glass, and DO wear out). Before one could say a word, the church had cut my family a check for the the ENTIRE cost of the new water heater and its installation. They didn’t promise to “pray for me”, or tell me to depend on God’s grace, they stood up, cut a check, and our problems were over. I totally agree with prayer for people, but if someone needs a car to get to their job, and they can’t afford one, the proper thing to do is buy them a cheap car, not pray for them! At the same time many, not all, Christians are trying to be “praying people” they forget that prayer is the solution where it is the solution, e.g., not everywhere! If you see someone being attacked, do you pray for them, or go over and help them subdue their attacker, or at least call the cops?!!!?

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rolando October 27, 2016 at 1:48 am

Pick up your cross and fallow me doesnt sound fun or happy.If your a real Christian suffer for you dont belong here and are unwanted.I will carry the cross to my death and awaken to my reward.Amen

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Martin October 24, 2016 at 5:56 pm

Prayer as a Weapon of Hatred and Taking the Stick Away.

I ran across a book some years ago called Nasty People. Current events have INSPIRED me to pick it up and browse through it. Ahem. I believe the author was a Chris Carter. Good book. If you have to deal with idiots in your life that are not easy to get away from, i.e. family, you should get this and give it a read. One anecdote from the book depicted a Master and a Student sitting for tea. The Master takes out a large stick. The Master informs the Student, that if he reaches for the tea, he will hit him with the stick. And if he does not reach for the tea, he will hit him with the stick. There are a number of responses the student could choose, but the best is to TAKE THE STICK AWAY.

So the general theme here is Prosperity from God either not attained, or, attained and lost. Satan is holding the stick. If God makes us prosper, Satan hits us with the stick of guilt, or worse, we could be carried away with our prosperity and lose connection with God. If we do not prosper, Satan hits us with the stick of promises not delivered. I’ve been good, I’ve done this and that, and God has not blessed me. And there is Satan beating you with the stick.

So, how to take the stick away from Satan? Stop caring. IDGAS. IDGAS stands for, I Don’t Give A Shit. That is to say IDGAS about prosperity, or non-prosperity. This really takes the stick out of Satans’ hand. Most people do worry a lot. We worry about this and that. We could all probably use a little IDGAS in our lives. Now IDGAS can be overdone if you apply it everywhere. But used judiciously, I think it can be a good tool to find peace and to “take the stick away”.

Humans do find creative ways to Fuck things up, don’t we. Take prayer for instance. If I remember correctly Jesus said to pray in private. Said it numerous times, DEMONSTRATED by his actions numerous times. And yet some like to announce their prayer. And not only announce it, but spit it at you, like a snake spits venom. Faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God. Nothing has ever come from spitting prayer at anyone. We take one of the most important things given by God and turn it to shit. And yet some among us LOVE to raise their judgement of right and wrong above God himself. CURIOUS bunch, us humans.

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Moses Jones October 22, 2016 at 3:55 pm

I am a follower of Christ and I am not going to say whether or not God has a “wonderful” plan in my life, but I can say for certain that my life was more comfortable by the world’s standards when I didn’t believe. Ever since I started believing, my life took a nose dive. My health started failing, my family turned against me. Most of my friends have died.

So where am I now? I am living on the streets. While do work, everything I earn gets eaten up (not by me, or anyone I help, but thieves) and everything somehow works out just so I can stay broke and with no food, even though I make full time income (greed). I have one good friend that I really care about, but I know she is going to walk out on me. She says otherwise, but I know the truth (for one thing, her staying would be a good thing). I just hope that she does not die on me (she got herself involved with some potentially dangerous people. i.e. stalkers).

All I want is for things to start going good for her. I really don’t care if she walks away from me as long as it is to something better. Even though my life is far from being that bad other than being homeless and the #1 desire of perverted guys, I am reaching the point where I am going to shut down completely.

There is one good sign, though. My body is starting to shut down and I might now make it through the beginning of next summer.

Many people try to say that there is no God when bad things happen. In my case, what I am going through proves that there is a God. He exists. Ad his plan is different from mine. He is sovereign. If there was no God, then I probably wouldn’t be on the streets. I’d be able to work hard, get a home, a family and everything. But everything just seems planned and organized against me for there to be no God.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 7:24 am

Sorry to hear your troubles, Moses. I too have seen lifelong misery, though not constantly, none of which God seems to be interested in helping me with, my constant prayers notwithstanding. The only problem I have, and perhaps you have he same problem, is that I DO believe in God, I DO want Him to help me, and I DO NOT think depending on humans or dumb luck (the atheists only other bulwarks) to help me is a smart move. I’ve complained as much as anyone here about God’s lack of faithfulness to me, and yet, He is still in my life, whether I like it or not. When He said He’d never leave nor forsake us, perhaps what was meant that He would stay with us as I describe above, but not be a “mommy” ready to bandage ever scrape you get on your knees. This is not, for me, a very satisfying conclusion, but it is all I have, as I have actually tried to “dump God” for some time now, and it ain’t happening. I have a desire for Him, and it doesn’t seem to be able to be eradicated. Also, I would warn you not to engage in “post hoc, ergo propter hoc” thinking (translated, “after this, then because of this”). This is where you assume that an certain action is responsible for your misery, when any number of actions may be at fault. Dumb example: If you open your car door to get into the car, and when it closes, you suddenly hear a clap of thunder, it is a PHEPH error to assume one caused the other, and to exclude other reasons why you heard a clap of thunder. I have been, haltingly, trying to get back to the stats quo ante, how it was before I lost faith in God, and things seems a little (but, so far, only a little) better. I am sure of one thing: if God does exist, lambasting him with do you no good, and if He doesn’t, the same holds true. Good luck, and God bless.

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Jim October 21, 2016 at 1:27 pm

I think this, like most Christian responses to bhy God allows HELL in our lives is not worth the electrons it is “written” with. The God of the Bible in capapable of ANYTHING, and given this, why is the “anything” not peace and goodness on earth NOW??? What in the name of anything holy or good is this misery allowed millenia after millenia? Does anyone really think people are anything but CRUSHED, physically and spiritually, by the constant flow of crap into their lives, which crap God, with a flick of a finger, could ELIMINATE IMMEDIATELY AND FOREVER? I’ve see this type of response to suffering a bazillion times, and it never changes: God is glorified by your suffering, and thus won’t end it. This, IMHO, if true, makes God a MONSTER. As sinful as I supposedly am, had I the power to keep a single human from suffering a lifetime of crap, I would do it IMMEDIATELY, but somehow God, an inestimably more powerful entity, would not?!!? REALLY?!!? This is medieval “let’s turn lead into gold” nonsense. Either God is good,or He is not, and if he ignores the world’s suffering, He is not good, and no talk of “someday” when Jesus comes changes this. If I see a little kid drownin in a pool because he has fallen in, but can’t swim, and I say, “Well, there’s evil in the world” and keep walking, I am, and should be, rightly condemned as a fiend. The same is true of God.

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Jodi October 21, 2016 at 6:26 pm

Jim, would u sacrifice your own flesh and blood for the sake of saving humanity? Ask any Mother the degree of suffering this is. Ask Mary!

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Daniel October 21, 2016 at 6:35 pm

Does anyone who responds on here read the bible? If you don’t read it or don’t believe it, that’s fine…. But why this hate and this backlash toward something/someone that you don’t believe? If you do believe it, then man up and follow it. If you don’t, then stop bellyaching about it and become an atheist or something.

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Jodi October 21, 2016 at 7:22 pm

Daniel what r u saying? I’m not sure what your suggesting. What about my comment is offending or unbiblical?

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Daniel October 21, 2016 at 8:46 pm

Sorry…My mistake. I was giving a general reply to the majority of negative comments that I’ve seen on this thread and accidentally responded to yours, personally. I apologize.

Martin October 21, 2016 at 7:27 pm

Daniel LOL. Because people are people. They have come to hate God. Though, more accurately, they have come to hate certain, or perhaps all who follow God. Now, they can rant at God, but there is no answer. Noe even a reaction. So…. the next best thing is throw their hate at the people of God. They might some kind of reaction from people, thereby providing themselves the validation that they seek. It is just Human Nature.

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Daniel October 21, 2016 at 8:51 pm

I get that… I just don’t see why they would waste their time. I guess they want a platform for their hollow complaints.

Jim October 24, 2016 at 6:34 am

Once again, Martin, you conflate questioning God with hating him, a technique used to evil perfection by the Nazis, by the way, albeit in a different forum.

I do NOT hate God, indeed I am a believer, thanks to God, for 20 plus years. I am NOT, however, perfect as you believe yourself to be, and I do, as my children often do of me, question God when things are going horrificlly bad. This is not a point in my favor, of course, but neither is it a point against me. Perhaps you need to think less of yourself as a Christian, and do something like, I don’t know, PRAY for those you look down on? I think this thought appears somewhere in the Bible, huh? But no, you play Peter, ready with his sword to slay any and all “for God.” You need a lot of work, buddy, and I am going to do for you what you either can’t imagine doing or won’t do for me, namely, pray for you.

Jim October 24, 2016 at 6:27 am

Do you read the Bible, Daniel? Ever read the Psalms? They are RIFE with just such “bellyaching” as you call it. Have you ever had REAL troubles? Ever been raped? Ever been stabbed in the back by people who you saved multiple times from being fired? Or do you just wish to seem the saint you believe yourself to be, despite all the evidence here, and I’m sure elsewhere, to the contrary?

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lynn November 1, 2016 at 5:04 am

Youre the reason why most people leave god and Christianity because of insensitive assholes like you.

Sorry if other peoples pain makes you feel uncomfortable…

Youre a christian right?

Then youre supposed to act christlike.

Then again… The christian god is a hypocrite so maybe you are acting in his IMAGE….

Kindly fuck off.

Have you ever been raped, abused, molested?

If not then good.

You have no idea why people are venting so keep your mouth shut.

ll of you are compaining of negative comments can fuck off too.

Again.. You hvbe no clue hat people are going through.

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Daniel November 1, 2016 at 7:19 am

Hi Lynn – I’m sorry you’re so angry.. My comment was not meant to be insensitive. Contrary to what you might think, I have suffered much and actually continue to. I can identify with much of what you said, including the anger – which I still have a lot of myself.. My comment came from a place of frustration, as it seemed that many people who claimed that they didn’t believe in God actually do believe in God, but they just hate Him and/or don’t believe that He is good.. I have felt this way before too, and still fight against those feelings.. I am certainly far from perfect. I honestly hope you find peace and am sorry that my comments made you feel worse. Definitely not my intention.

Jim November 7, 2016 at 7:27 am

Lynn:
Don’t know if your rude, unchristian comments are for me or not, but in this case it matters not, as no one will ever come to a change of mind from what you’ve said. How do I know this? I know this because I’ve said what you’ve said, and my “reward” was more anger, rather than a diminishing of my pain.

Jim November 28, 2016 at 7:25 am

Lynn:
Your comment, esp. the “fuck off” SCREAMS non-Christian, just pretending to be one. Read the Psalms sometime and see all the anguish there. Surely even a egomaniac like you can see that great men of God have had TONS of doubt, anger at Him, etc. As far as driving people away, YOUR KIND does this with the utmost efficiency, when they see, especially in the “FUCK OFF” part, your pretense and desire to LOOK holy, rather than BE holy.

jim October 22, 2016 at 9:32 am

This is a dodge, Jodi. You’ve, IMHO, not even TRIED to answer my question. And, if you mean would I allow someone, e.g. to shoot me to death to save my wife and kids, YOU BETCHA I WOULD, and would certainly NOT require them to “believe in me” to do so. God can require anything He wants, but if He chooses (and that is what has happened, God making a choice) to make all things everywhere good and free of evil, He is more than powerful enough to do so NOW, and without ANYONE’S sacrifice.

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Jim October 23, 2016 at 9:54 am

Hi Jodi:

Answer my question, please. I have posted a question as to why God would allow human suffering one second longer, and neither you, nor any of the people who have comments have answered this question. Instead, like you, they dodged it. Would you please answer the question, and if you won’t or can’t, please stop commenting to me about things I never asked above. Thank you.

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Jodi October 23, 2016 at 10:51 am

Hi again Jim, I will try but know I don’t have all the answers, nobody does and here is where trust of the sovereignty of God comes into play. I am finite not infinite, you are the same as I am but He is divine and holds time and positioning of His perfect will. He won’t come nor will he cease sufferings of humanity until it has produced what He alone desires for all to have which I believe is Salvation, even yours! Whether you accept this or not will not in any way change its outcome. You cannot shoot truth! His desire is for us to trust him no matter what. With that said Suffering produces Perserverance and Perserverance Character and Character Hope. I would desire for you to really think about that, in jest it and digest it, please! Even Christ himself had to work thru these stages of accepting the will of the Father which is beautifully depicted on the night of his arrest in the garden of gethsemane. If, by your finite standards, I have again failed in fulfilling your request to answer your question on why there is suffering, in my own trials and experiences and thru evolving thru my faith over time, it is the very thing of time and suffering that has produced in me, hope. Hope from the day we screwed it up in the garden till now! God wants us to be saved man! And that my friend is the very reason he is patiently waiting and sculpting time, for you. So just surrender, even your pain to Almighty God who over the course of time can use you and turn your pain into something He can wield for good in helping others also to come to him. He did it for me and He will do it for you if you ask. All the answers to your questions He has for you right there in his word which were written for you. To God, 1000 years are a day and a day 1000 years. Time does not hold him and He is not restrained by it as we finite humans understand it. This is complex and hard to grasp but to God time does not control him. More importantly, is what occurs in the time He has given us. Martin is a very knowledgeable guy with great wit and humor and has a style all his own. In while I don’t agree with his choice of methods of getting across to you the truth, I do love his no holds bar approach. He cuts to the chase realizing time is of the essence. He is my brother in Christ and I love him and I’ve never met him a day in my life but he knows the truth and my friend Jim, the truth will set you free, so be free!

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Martin October 21, 2016 at 6:42 pm

*Sigh* Another person who is Deifying his Judgement of things. You know, God created your little ability to reason and make judgements. Typically this is not worth a response, but, another thing caught my eye. Oh, and by the way, God DID create a paradise for us to live in initially. We lost that by defying God. Doing what he warned us not to. Ah, there it is, this notion of “God is glorified by your suffering”. WTF?? God is God. I HARDLY think he is GLORIFIED by us suffering. That concept is worth writing a few words against. God is looking for a treasure from amongst a sea of mediocrity. Looking for people who will chose to have faith in God and his son. The suffering, per se, is neither here or there. It is how we respond to it.

God is a MONSTER…. blah blah blah. Yeah, that’s an old tune. I said it before: There is NO objective right and wrong. Right and wrong is defined by WHATEVER God happens to want at any moment in time. Neither suffering or prosperity matters. All that matters is a faith and trust in God. Take on that mind set, and you’ll move mountains.

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Jim October 22, 2016 at 9:35 am

I won’t answer the idiot “deifying” comment: it so clearly fails on its face, it is not worth the time. And, once again, I have NO responses to my questions, but instead a response that either is not a response at all (Mr. “Deifying) or which doesn’t even attempt to answer my questions. I know why, because there ISN’T any answer, so so-called Christians choose to take a detour to questions of their own that they feel they CAN answer.

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Jim October 22, 2016 at 9:41 am

You’ll move mountains if you weren’t raped (I refuse to call it molestation) repeatedly when you were 12, or didn’t watch ALL MANNER of human wickedness and trouble go forth unimpeded by God day after day, day after day, day after day, etc. Two millennia have past since Christ died to pay the price for our sins, and many more passed before this. How long does God need? And, though one may, after a lifetime of hell on earth, be taken to Heaven, why do so many Christians poo-poo our lives here on earth, as that is where God has put us, so, unless He is mean, presumably wishes believers SOME peace and SOME presence of His here. Please do not respond if you do not wish to answer my questions, as I have read the Bible Genesis to Revelation more times that the number of years most people have lived.

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Jodi October 22, 2016 at 11:28 am

@Jim. If you will allow me, I would wish to comment on your last sentence but bf I do I would like to lovingly add that no answer will satisfy your bitter hearts root which brings me to my point that one could debate all day long the questions why? I’m way past debating and have learned that the power of the cross and the spirit living within a man is all that one needs. Of course God has given us his word as you have well determined you’ve repeatedly read numerous times without satisfaction. Without the spirits inner compass guiding you, you might as well close the book and put it down bc many a men are interpreting Gods word of truth to satisfy their own desires and truths. God has revealed himself to us thru his word with the aid of HIS guidance counselor and if you continue to read your way even if you read it 100 more times, isn’t going to do you any good until you learn how to read it with the right heart and mind. The Holy Spirit is Gods only method with which one can draw truth. As for having answers to your questions, ask Him and He will show you. Knock and the door will be opened, seek and ye shall find, ask and it will be given you!

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Daniel October 22, 2016 at 12:24 pm

Truth.

Jim October 25, 2016 at 7:17 am

Hello Jodi:

Thank you for your kind comments, and I am sorry if I sounded less than polite myself to you. I am just so bloody frustrated with some folks here, who either refuse to answer, or even try, my questions, and instead either insult me or provide answers to questios I have not asked. You are correct to say there probably aren’t any answers to my questions, and I believe I may just stop asking them. I have been a Christian for years, but never, with one exception felt the Lord at all. That exception was when I was saved, sitting in an apt. in Milwaukee. It was WONDERFUL, and quite unlike any feeling that has ever come over me. After this, and even to this day, despite others crude comments about me, I have been a Christian, doing His will (as best I can, that is, not perfectly), and I have yet to feel, unlike almost all my Christian compatriots failed to feel a single “breath” from Him. It is most frustrating, as I am now going through the worst time in my life (worse than the rape when I was 12, if you can believe it) and NO ONE, not God, not my “friends” not anyone has made himself available to help, or even wanted to help. I just sit here day after day, waiting for help to come which clearly isn’t coming. That is why I have been on a tear (not the liquid type!) about God, as I had expected He would take the place of faithless humans and help me if none else would. Didn’t happen. In any event, that you for your kind letter. God bless. Jim

Martin October 23, 2016 at 12:56 am

Jim, you are some kind of liar. You say you’ve read the Bible. I doubt it. Why? Because you are looking for answers, and the answer to your question has already been provided here in this blog, by me. If you were SO HOT for your answer, you’d have read more. On the off chance that you aren’t lying, then you are some kind of stupid. At this point, I don’t really GIVE a rats ass about you. You’ve become a pathetic little Diva who has become enamored with getting attention by running around crying I was raped. I’ll repost some truths just because the opportunity presents itself, not particularly for your sake. It might help someone else.

The world we live in is a testing ground. God is testing us, as to whether we will trust him. We did not Sin in the garden. Wait, I take that back. We have been SINNING since the moment of our creation. More accurately, it was not SIN that caused the rift with Man and God. SIN, is not man’s problem. Being subject to punishment for our sin is our problem When God made us, we were NOT SUBJECT TO PUNISHMENT. When Adam ate the apple, we lost that protection. THAT is our problem. We are now subject to punishment for short falling Gods’ glory. Well, that was stupid that God made us lacking the ability to be righteous. I’ll admit, that was a quirky move, but as I already said, he gave us a protection. IGNORANCE was our protection. Yeah, yeah. People like to think Man was INNOCENT in the Garden. But as I said, we were NEVER innocent. We were ignorant. That is the plain truth. But people will keep saying innocence because it has a much nicer emotional connotation. We gave up our ignorance when we ate the apple. I guess one could say, the “Test” in the Garden was, will we eat the fruit, or will we do as God said, and NOT eat the fruit. And now, the testing continues. There you go. Easy Shmeasy.

Now, all Sin. Some, those who are in Christ, will not be subject to punishment for their sin. (Christians do not become Non-Sinners. They simply won’t be punished for it.) Many will have no protection.

The Spirit must be flowing, because I feel led to throw your dumb ass a bone Jim. Quit being such an asshole about the rape. (This is how you throw me a bone. Yep. Deal with it.) If you don’t forgive those who have wronged you, you’ll go to hell. Period. I mean, think about that. If you FORGIVE, you will start feeling better in the here and now. You also open up heaven. If you DON’T forgive, you will FEEL LIKE SHIT the rest of your life, and worse, because you have not forgiven those who have wronged you, you get Hell for your trouble.

I won’t tell you to FORGIVE. You’ll do whatever you want. I got $5 that says you won’t and will suffer the consequences.

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Jim October 23, 2016 at 9:55 am

Once again, Martin, can yo answer my question, or not? If you, please do so, if you can’t, please stop sending comments to me.

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Kaos October 21, 2016 at 4:06 am

Interesting comments here. I’m wondering where sin is in all of them though. I have done this and that and in stead of the result (payment) I want, God has gone and done this or that (which I dislike). If your reason for doing what you did was just because you wanted a particular thing then you’re being selfish and since selfishness is a sin, how then can you logically expect God to endorse your sin? God is loving, to borrow an analogy from CS Lewis; he’s loving like a dentist taking out a bad tooth. The more he cares about the well being of the patient, the more effort he’s going to put into getting the bad tooth out. In the moment it’s not pleasant but to leave it be will not be him being loving. You not letting a child play in the middle of a busy street might not feel very loving to him, but then does that make it so? In a nutshell, to love is not the same as to do what the beloved wants. As to the question “why doesn’t God remove suffering” and the like, my personal response is this: there was no suffering or evil (in the garden) before human beings decided to mess things up by not trusting God and that’s always going to be the case until human beings learn to trust God completely.

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Martin October 21, 2016 at 7:02 pm

I am feeling a bit Ballsy right now Kaos. Here you are, trying to be clever in a human kind of way. And bringing CS Lewis along for the ride, to lend credence to your argument. “Make SENSE of suffering.” Hmm? How about no. Don’t TRY and make sense it. Prosperity means nothing, suffering means nothing. JUST HAVE FAITH.

Oh, and BTW, being a Christian is the MOST SELFISH thing a person can possibly do. Pay attention now, here comes the fun part. It is selfish in that a lowly human is seeking to rule and reign alongside God, and sit at his right hand. And the only way to achieve this selfish goal, is to be SELFLESS. To seek the MOST SELFISH GOAL IN THE UNIVERSE, one must be selfless. Never let ANYONE ever tell you God does not have a sense of irony.

I threw in that last section in for free. The real take home of this little blurb was already said, but bears saying again: Prosperity means nothing, suffering means nothing. JUST HAVE FAITH.

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Jim October 24, 2016 at 3:25 pm

Not ballsy enough to answer my qustions though, Huh?

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Jim October 23, 2016 at 9:58 am

To all who do not like my comments, PLEASE respond to MY COMMENTS, instead of posing a new question or questions which I did NOT posit. If you can’t answer my questions / comments, that is fine, but please stop commenting on what I have NOT asked as if I had. If I ask you what 2 + 2 is, you presumably wouldn’t launch into an diatribe about why I didn’t ask what 2 x 2 was, would you?
JIM

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Martin October 23, 2016 at 2:55 pm

You’re a Dull, pointless creature Jim. There is PLENTY of good things written for you to reference. But instead you play the Troll. Looking for attention. Looking to be fed. Fuck off Jim. You aren’t worth the time.

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Jim October 23, 2016 at 5:10 pm

Chloe:

You might wish to cull some of the more vulgar, and, frankly, useless, commenters from your site, for example the commenter, presumably a Christian, given your site’s content, telling me to “fuck off” and that “I am worthless. Your choice, but I wouldn’t for all the gold in Ft. Knox have my website have such filth on it.

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Jodi October 23, 2016 at 5:57 pm

Martin please, remember your earlier post where you mentioned it might help someone. There are those who are seeking truth and need guidance and we don’t want to cause them to turn away to the degree of never trusting Christ bc of differing opinions that are as heated as this. Not worth a soul being lost so try, if you would please to exercise some self control here and remember your talents, which are useful in exhorting and correcting but not when you engage this way. Don’t be a hateful Christian like so many are these days. I feel your frustrations but your not helping the matter. Your not either Jim! Remember 1 Cor 13, don’t be a resounding gong or clanging symbol ! Be what you are and do what you are gifted to do, exhort! In love! You’ve helped me more then you know

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Martin October 23, 2016 at 6:14 pm

Jodi, this guy is just a scammer. A Troll. Throwing a tantrum like a little child. You don’t reward a child doing bad with attention, just like you don’t shower this guy with attention. Shower him with Christian love if you like. What he needs is a kick in the teeth, which I already gave him. He just continues on Trolling for attention. He will just keep milking those who will give him attention until he gets bored. He is not looking for help. That is just a ruse. He is looking to harm, and therefore deserves no attention. Do as you like. Be gentle as a dove and wise as a viper. This guy provoked my viper real quick.

Jim October 25, 2016 at 7:06 am

No, Martin, you are. You refuse to even try to answer my questions, and you refuse, let’s be honest, because you can’t. If you can’t do something, then you can’t, and that’s it. But don’t play the philosopher because you cant. Admit defeat ad walk away. And there are good things, none from you, to reference, but none, except one I just saw, that answers or even TRIES to answer my questions. Your rudeness and curse words prove you are not a Christian, and perhaps you ought to go elsewhere, perhaps Anton LeVay’s website.

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Jim November 9, 2016 at 3:50 pm

Again, Martin, no answer to my questions and comments. I will assume from now on that are incapable of anything but juvenile insult, and treat you accordingly as a child. And “FUCK OFF JIM”? You may be a lot of things, Martin, but a Christian is definitely not one of them. I won’t take pleasure of your end in Hell, though I have no doubt you would take pleasure should I go there. I will tell you, you are an embarrassment to God, Christians and, frankly, any educated or reasonable adult, and your childish comments show that quite well. Chloe, do you really want to continue to allow a heretic insult factory like Martin to soil your website?

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Jim November 28, 2016 at 7:28 am

And still no comments on my comments from the steadfast moron Martin. And, which person is more a Christian, the one who tells a wounded Christian to “FUCK OFF” and that they are “NOT WORTH THE TIME” , or the one who admits he has feet of clay, and doubts God. And, Martin, if I am “not worth the time” you are no more a Christian than Satan himself.

Note : to Chloe: do you ever moderate the more Christ-insulting fools like Martin, or are you going to continue to allow him to defecate on others and God?!?

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Jim October 23, 2016 at 10:03 am

Martin, as humans, all we can be is clever in a human kind of way. Are you so arrogant as to feel you know the non-human kind of cleverness? I have been the kind of person who follows God’s commands, feeds the hungry, etc. And He has never once deigned to “visit” me in any fashion. Of course, being God, that is His choice, but why would He choose that? Does He wish to drive others away from the field of service by showing that He stands up NOT for many who are devoted to him? As for irony, no one who has ever read the Bible thinks God sense of irony is deficient. I’ll never leave you nor forsake you is the most ironic statement in all of recorded history.

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carol October 19, 2016 at 9:02 am

I have been tested every dam moment of my life and frankly am sick of it. I have been praying for God to bring my children back to their faith for over 10 years now and no change in them is present. I volunteer at two Catholic Churches and I attend daily mass, God has given me many positive signs about a certain situation in my life, that he was behind it and it was meant to be, but I have had nothing but tests for the past 2 1/2 years on this subject…giving 199% while the other party barley gives his 1%! The signs keep coming but I grow weary…I don’t need any more signs from God, I need somthing positive from the man God put in my life so I don’t feel like I am making a constant ass of myself. If the reward you get for treating people kindly and with respect is to be repeatedly shit all over, then screw that. I have so much shit on me I’m attracting flies. It is said that whatever you ask of God, it will be given you if it is good for your soul…what crap! My soul is on a downward spiral because God and everyone else doesn’t know when to quit shitting on me!

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Martin October 19, 2016 at 7:08 pm

Carol Change is GOOD. All things change. For good or for bad. And change is good for a person personally. Be gentle as a Dove, but Wise as a viper. Quit praying for your kids, and do something. Do something sneaky if you want. Or do nothing. That is one thing. Another is, God has NO Grand Children. Faith in God is on the individual, not you. YOU need to worry, and work on YOUR salvation. Your worry about someone else’s salvation in simply put, wrong, and a waste of time. You don’t NEED to volunteer in 2 churches. One should be sufficient. If you are treating your husband well, treat him badly. If you are treating him badly, treat him well. Be selfish for a while. Tell people to Kiss Your Ass. See how they like it. You likely will.

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carol October 19, 2016 at 8:08 pm

Well, this man is not my husband. I am divorced with three children and my motto has always been treat others the way you want to be treated. I had been alone (without a man) for twelve years when my father said something totally out of character for him (it was like God was speaking through him) he said “Carol, the right one is coming and he is coming before you know it”. My father just did not speak that way. I vowed never to allow another man to ever step on my heart and kick me so I told my dad he was crazy but he repeated what he said. Well my father passed away and within 10 months, this man walked into my life (we work at the same place but I had never seen him) and he talked to me in the cold for 45 minutes. I wanted to get away and finally did and wonder what the heck that was. I thought there is something wrong with that man and he seems to have a little crush even though he has never met me and I thought no way in Hell. Well, I started running into him everywhere and when I said to myself why do I keep running into this guy, it was like I got hit with a ton of bricks and the words my father spoke echoed in my mind. I thought no way that’s happening. Well, long story short, this man ushers at St. Bernard’s Church in our neighborhood and Bernard was my father’s name. I actually did start to like him a bit and I prayed and cried and told God I had no intention of ever going there and I needed to know if he brought us together, if it was meant to be and if it was going to work out. I asked for one sign out of three options and I got all three. There were many more signs I was given that only God could provide and I do believe we will be together as God promised, but it is so frustrating when you have put almost three years into a relationship or whatever and you are the one doing all the work. Early on, he said dozens of times he loved me and that I was a priority and that night, he was to go to his mom’s for a visit (they do not live together but he is a mamas boy) and when he got there late, I don’t know what she did to him but after that, a relationship was no longer a priority. I think he also has aspergers which is very hard for someone to be in a relationship. I have showed incredible love, forgiveness, strength, patience with this man and he shows no consideration whatsoever. She has really got a hold on him. People can’t believe I have stayed with him this long. He has never been in a long term or intimate relationship and he is almost 60 years old. I am almost 58. I love him with all my heart and told him if the time came where he could not take care of himself I would feel honored to take care of him for the rest of my life. I also said if he ever lost his arms or legs, I would carry him and anyone who knows me knows I would do it. I will never abandon this man as I promised I wouldn’t. That’s not to say I will not be disappointed, hurt or upset by him and he needs to know when he is treating me like crap. I was very upset at this man, and my kids and other things today when I made those comments. God knows I love him, but when you are constantly being beaten down, it’s hard to have Faith at times and I volunteer at two churches because I partially belong to both. I do believe in God’s promise to me, I just think it’s going to take his mother’s passing before it happens. God has told me I had to endure all the hardship in my youth and young adult life to make me strong for the challenges of this relationship I am in. This man has my undying love, but it will have it’s issues from time to time. I know things happen in God’s time, I just wish this man would give me a bone.

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Jodi October 23, 2016 at 4:06 pm

Run ! Very fast ! Many red flags that I’m certain you can see if you will just look around and open your eyes to the truth. Go study Boaz and Ruth and become educated on Godly Men and Women and while your at it, it wouldn’t hurt you to do some honest self examinations as well. I wish I had had someone to tell me this way back when. It would’ve saved me a decade of pain and grief. I say this in all honesty, love, humility and raw experience!

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Martin October 12, 2016 at 4:35 pm

Hey Lynn. Good post. Welcome to REALITY. And yes, God IS a tyrant. Actually I think one of the mistranslated words in the King James calls God a Despot. So, understand, God is not trying to hide the fact that he is what he is: A Tyrant and a Despot. God is simply being misrepresented by misguided folk who claim to be teaching about God. Being portrayed as the God of Love Only. God is many things. And sometimes he is loving. Other times he is planting his foot up your ass. Deal with it. Once again, welcome to reality. This is not a Disney movie.

Right there with you on the book of Job. MOTHER FUCKER. Be a shining star for God, and he turns you over to Satan to get your ass kicked. As a young man, I tried to game the system. I told myself, don’t shine too brightly and they won’t notice. Well, they fucking noticed anyway. (ugh) I got the shit knocked out of me for years. Still going on now, though not as bad.

Why does God test us? A couple of reasons. (I’m gonna have some fun with this) First off, Lynn, as you appear to be a woman, how in the WORLD can you ask such a stupid question? What? WOMEN are INFAMOUS for testing the men in your lives. So how utterly stupid of you to ask why God tests man. To see what he/she is (REALLY) made of. Silly question, easy answer. Part Two of the answer goes back to the old days. When God actually interacted with man. God would do a miracle…. demonstrate his power. The people would be AWED….. But after a while, they would be unimpressed with God. They would say, do something else. So God and man would enter into this cycle. God does, man demands more. This repeats over and over until God get pissed and says, you will try me no more. I will try YOU. And that is how it has stood since that time until now.

“God:Who are you to say anything?” Well Lynn, who ARE you to say anything?? LOLOL Be still, sit quietly and ponder this. The Absurdity will hit you eventually.

“God destroyed a man to prove a point.” True. But…. God created the man as well. And the earth he lives on, the food he eats, the air he breathes, etc etc. This demonstrates, rather graphically, we are Gods’ to do with as he pleases. We are his slaves. But we have the promise of becoming rulers.

If you actually believe in God, you’ll take the shit and get through it. Otherwise, walk. I’m not advocating either course. Just laying out the rules of the game.

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lynn October 14, 2016 at 4:20 pm

The rules of the game are horrible.

God: I created you. I gave you existence so now i can treat however I want.

Really mrssed up.

Since we both know that god is a tyrant and uses deception as a loving fathe just so he can have slaves.

I wonder what will hapen to us since we know the real truth.

Would you agree that god is evil? Choosing some people to prosper and some people to be tortured because it fits his plan?

I cant pretend to love god while knowing the truth that hes a sadisitc monster.

I guess we just have to obey so we can spend eternity with the real evil.

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Martin October 14, 2016 at 5:20 pm

Hey Lynn. “The rules of the game are horrible.” Yes they are. But, it is the ONLY game it town.

God is not a deceiver. On that point you are wrong. Like I said before, God is not HIDING his nature. In fact, he wants to REVEAL his nature. It is goofy representatives of God that twist the picture. God using deception to create slaves? No. That is mans’ (and Satans’) tactic. In fact, in the new testament, God is pretty chill about things.

Be not deceived, God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap. If he reap to the flesh, he shall of the flesh reap corruption. If he soweth to the spirit of life, he shall reap life everlasting.

If God wants slaves, all he has to do is wiggle his finger. In fact, all beings in Gods’ creation are his slaves. (of course, there are good slaves and bad ones) This includes Satan and the 1/3 of heaven that followed him. God could blink out all of creation with a word, and WHO would be left standing to accuse him of wrongdoing? Wrongdoing: Let’s talk about that concept. Is there such a thing as objective right and wrong? Most say yes. I have come to the conclusion, when you factor in an all powerful God, there is NO objective right and wrong. Right and wrong is defined by whatever God wants at any moment in time. God has said, don’t kill. But then sends the Israelites into the promised land and tells then to kill all of the squatters on their land. Gods’ will, and Gods’ will ALONE defines right and wrong, moment by moment. As for the blinking us out of existence, don’t worry; God is a God of his word, and blinking us all out in an instant is not on his to do list.

Is God evil? No. He is many things. All powerful being the most important. He can also be loving. But he can also be an asshole. God created ALL things. So he also created assholes. And if God wants, he can be the KING of the assholes. I think you can agree with that.

What will happen when you discover the truth? It will set you free.

I can’t pretend to love God…… I can’t really say I EVER loved God. I was never in that particular trap. You see, Love is one of the best things in our human existence. So love is used to “sell” God. You were tricked into loving a God for the wrong reasons. Don’t love God. He won’t mind. LOVING God will NOT get you to heaven. If you want to go up, go down, if you want to be first, be last. Serve others, be a slave to others, and you will be sowing to the spirit of life, and you will reap life everlasting.

If it helps, curse God. OMG! I’ll go to hell. No you won’t. Well, you might, LOL. But not simply for that. I have cursed God thousands of times. It was cathartic. But I never lost sight of who God was, and that he has the right to do as he pleases. (It just pissed the living shit out of me that it did not PLEASE him to do something that would also please me.) That is an important distinction. He DOES have the right to do any damn thing he wants with you. Bitch and moan over the things he throws your way, but it is ridiculous to challenge his right to do it.

In the end, you just have to GET OVER YOURSELF. Getting over oneself is a good solution to many problems we face. No different here. God is a boss so big, we can’t even do justice describing how big he is. Embrace your slavery and get on with it. Peace will find you when you do.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 7:31 am

There’s Martin again, not increasing anyone’s happiness or belief in God. Of course, since he is only interested in making himself seem a solon, I guess it would be foolish to expect rational discourse from him. I never watched the movie “Dumb and Dumber” but if it wasn’t about Martin, someone missed a great opportunity.

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lynn October 12, 2016 at 4:12 am

Yup….. Im back again. Im surprised by the new comments since i last read. Thank you Jodi and Martin for your responses.

I think we all are in denial or we just dont see it. Like an invisible covering over our eyes.

Dont you see how god is just a tyrant? This is al part of a story. The plan of a sadistic god to make us all suffer for his amusement.

Atheists always put up the better arguments.

There reasons are always more logical like:

Why doesnt god erase sin?
Why dies he continue to allow pain and suffering?
He could erase it right now and there will be peace.

Martin said our faith will be tested but why does faith need testing if salvation is free?

This all some sick game

The book of job is the most repulsive book in the bible.

God destroyed a man to prove a point.

After all the hell that man went through guess what God said to him?

God:Who are you to say anything?

We are all screwed.

We have to give up eveything to follow god and become slaves no matter how hard it is to be a Christian.

If not, you go to hell. Its a catch 22.

There is nothing loving about this god. We are here for his amusement. Choose to be my sklve or burn in hell.

Thats not love. God is a liar and a deceiver. The devil is only gods tool in accomplishing his plan here. Ive read the bible long enough to put the pieces together.

Read Romans chapter 9.

It talks about gods sovereignty. He cjooses who he wntts to save an who should perish.

llsay it again… This is not a god of love but of deciet. He is a masterful con artist giving you the illusion that hes a loving compassionate father. Hes a two face hypocritical tyrant that bends his owns rules when its convenient

Because hes god an were only human, thers nothing we can do it about.

Screw gods tests…

His tests are that you go through the worse hell imaginable he

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 7:37 am

Hello Lynn:
Atheists have the most absurd belief of any large group of humans in the world. They believe, despite a complete lack of proof, that God doesn’t exist. There is, of course, no way short of total knowledge, ironically, like God would have, for them to know this, and yet the continue in their statements of their certainty of His non-existence. Agnosticism is a better belief to have if you wish, but atheism is for people who just haven’t thought about things intelligently. Christopher Hitchens’ wrote the book, “God is not Great” , and yet he spent his last moments on earth, before dying of cancer, being read the KJV Bible by Larry Tauton. Why? I, of course, not knowing Mr. C., don’t know for sure, but I’d bet he experienced a need for eternal things, and turned to God for them. I hope so, though, as I’ve said, I don’t know for sure.

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The Honest Truth October 8, 2016 at 9:57 am

That filthy Scumbag put us innocent people on this Rotten Earth which we Never asked to have been Born in the first place since there is just too much Evil And Suffering going on today. Explain that one if you can.

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Martin October 8, 2016 at 2:57 pm

Honest….. Don’t you mean that ALL POWERFUL filthy Scumbag?? LOL Yeah, I am pretty much with you on the Rotten Earth front. Yet, hope, love and joy do exist despite the less than great backdrop. Christians are called the salt of the earth. Salt preserves. Those few good people are why God suffers the earths’ continued existence. Out of the muck and mire of this earth, God is looking for a treasure. People who will trust his word even though they are faced with challenging circumstances.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 7:39 am

I’m surprised to read the above, Martin, especially given your tirades above. I hope this means you’ve decided against being God’s “atom bomb”. I say this sincerely, not sarcastically.

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Marie May 13, 2017 at 4:48 pm

“there is just too much Evil And Suffering going on today. Explain that one if you can”.

The reason there is increased suffering and evil going on today is because we ARE living in THE last of the last days of this earth. If you have ever read the Bible, this is all detailed in the Book of Revelation. Actually, it’s throughout the Bible and the worst of all is in Revelation. Jesus said that these things would come upon this earth in Matthew 24 and again, throughout the Gospels.
God is NOT any “filthy scumbag” and above ALL else, He is HOLY and to call Him such a nasty name is so unwise. ARE you a believer? I’m guessing not…before I answer further, I want to see if you receive this. So please respond and I will be happy to explain to you further in more detail why this earth is the way it is now in these days (if you wish an extended reply) , and where some circumstances for yourself may possibly get better – depending on whether or not you are saved, life on this earth is not going to get any better or any easier, but it’s actually going to get worse. It’s a MUST that Jesus be your Lord and Savior in these days! An absolute MUST – IF you wish to see Heaven, but more so to find any peace in this life.. Again, I’ll be happy to explain things a bit more after I see that you received this reply. (Just so I don’t write a “novelette” into the air…) I see many comments here that I’d like to reply to, but some like your own are almost a year old – so I do wonder if you’ll even see my reply. Sooo please ‘hollar’ back if you see this. Take care…

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Cory Venezia October 6, 2016 at 7:58 pm

Everything you just said is exactly what a lost person in faith would say. when you don’t have the truth in your life than you rely on your own knowledge and thats when everything you learn and write down is all over the place. you say American christian belief in jesus will keep bad things from happening. than that shows me that you Don’t know the truth about real christian and the difference between the false ones or fake ones. only real christian get a confirmation of some sort from the holy spirits and unless you witness this than you will never understand how real christians feel about Jesus and their true love for him. Its not idolatry. So if someone like you would read the bible, you would get a different meaning than a real anointed, holy spirit filled christian than has God leading his or hers life. You will always get the wrong answer cause your life is filled with demons and not the holy spirit.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:11 am

Hello Corey:

I don’t know if you were replying to me or Martin, but if you were talking to me, I am NOT a lost person, simply a person who believes that if God says he will do something that He does it! I He has said, and He has, that He will never leave nor forsake me, why did the catalog of abuses I experienced allowed? I suppose one could redefine leave and forsake to make them fit this biblical quotation’s meaning, but as the Bible is perfect in truth, I am not sure how one manages this. God did not promise us a suffering-free life, that is for sure, but I am to say the least puzzled when He does nothing to keep a 12 year-old boy from being repeatedly molested (raped!) in a home for runaways. Most here (except a few loving types) excoriate me for wondering this, even as I believe they sometimes think the same. These folks view is that God needs to be defended, St. Peter style, not being able to handle things like this Himself. I am not accusing you of this, but rather explaining how others have interpreted my views.

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The Honest Truth October 6, 2016 at 3:41 pm

Why would he?

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Denise Green September 24, 2016 at 1:35 am

I totally agree with you on that. I am getting slandered left and right. So then I just started slacking off when it comes to Christianity.And I am going to give it up completely soon.

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t September 28, 2016 at 10:35 pm

Please don’t give up. I know it affects a person’s perception of God when people claim to represent Him and then they mistreat us. And then, much of the time, you can’t even get them to acknowledge that they’ve done anything wrong. Certain sectors of what I think of as institutional Christianity have really messed me up, and it’s a constant struggle to remind myself that they aren’t Jesus. When they act in a way directly opposed to His teachings, I can’t blame Him for that. Also, it helps if you don’t let them tell you how you should feel about your situation. No one has the right to tell you how you should feel about things that happen to you. That doesn’t facilitate healing. It just encourages people to suppress their emotions instead of dealing with them, which just makes the process take longer. Take a break from church if it’s causing you more harm than good (as can often be the case, unfortunately), but please don’t turn your back on Jesus. I personally feel encouraged by this article, because it lets me know there are Christians out there who get it. There is hope.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:15 am

Dear Denis:I hope you don’t give up on God because what some of his less than informed (biblically) believers say. You are NOT a sinner for wondering if God has forsaken you, as you will see in the Psalms any number of titans of the faith raise the same issue. Some folks here feel they are God’s “shock troops” (as if He needed them!) to scare those who are, in their benighted opinion, weak in the faith. Questions do NOT equal weak faith, because, indeed, why would someone who didn’t believe even RAISE a question? If they didn’t believe, why would they complain about what would be to them a non-existent being? Please just pray yourself, as I will for you myself when I am done typing, that God will send you the knowledge of His love for you, and that this love is not dependent on your doing the impossible, the impossible here being perfect faith. Jim

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Brigerre Berry September 18, 2016 at 12:16 pm

Hey. My apologies, I misread your post bcuz I was skimming. I see what you’re saying and I agree–for the most part.

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Brigerre Berry September 18, 2016 at 12:11 pm

Your self-concept is inaccurate about Christians, their way of thinking and Jesus. Your thinking is based on your rejection of religion, and not based on facts…

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Brigerre Berry September 18, 2016 at 12:08 pm

Your self-concept is inaccurate about Christians, their way of thinking and Jesus. Your thinking is based on your rejection of religion, and not based on facts.

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G Terrell September 13, 2016 at 6:11 am

Hello, Chloe,
Interesting thoughts on, but one should truly “think” about their own existence on this earth, the reality of our lives and then compare it to hoke crap that is in that very large story book called the Bible. Being atheist may be the wrong choice. Possibly being agnostic could be a more appropriate approach. My reasoning is that since the beginning of time, men and women have always felt there has to be a higher power, and so we have the history of many religions spawned. Which one is the correct one? I believe none of them have it right. Christianity won out the western world back in 313 AD when Rome’s Emperor Constantine the Great was the first emperor to stop Christian persecutions and to legalize Christianity along with all other religions and cults in the Roman Empire. There you have it – the door was finally flung open wide and there was no going back. The JC faith was now out there big and proud along with every other option and flavor of the time. Don’t get me wrong, there are some very good morals and positive values about Christianity, love your neighbor and help the less fortunate, peace, etc. All good stuff, but then we have to go out and evangelize this hoke ass story to convert others and it has no historical support whatsoever. Sure, there are accounts of JC by Roman scribes, but NOTHING that supports his wondrous powers has EVER been documented outside the Bible. Hoke. Lets not perpetuate a false faith just to give people a reason to be virtuous by dangling a carrot of a fantasy land for their afterlife. It’s time we wake up to a new reality, that our gods of ancient time are not keeping up with our present day needs and concerns. Oh sure the rules of life and “have faith” BS is supposedly there to sustain us but – no new message from an all powerful god??? Maybe he can send us his one and only daughter this time, and maybe she can have 34DDs and look like a Victoria Secret angel, LOL. Happy Trails in Reality – GT.

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Daniel September 11, 2016 at 7:46 pm

The more I read posts in this forum the more convinced I am that we are a self-entitled, self-obsessed people… If you take the time to read the bible you will see that Jesus was “a man of sorrows, had no place to rest his head, despised, mocked, trapped, alone, denied 3 times, and then murdered for the sins of mankind.” Jesus also said that if we are to follow Him we must “take up our crosses” too… How can anyone think that this equates to God having a wonderful plan for your life? Friends, the wonderful plan is deliverance and a pardon from our separation from God through Christ. Now if that is what people mean when they talk about Gods wonderful plan, then they are right.. If they mean a life full of happiness and fulfilled aspirations, then you are mistaken indeed. That rarely even happens for the non-Christian, but for the Christian you can and must expect life to be even more difficult.

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Martin September 12, 2016 at 5:53 am

Daniel, well said.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:18 am

Daniel: Your comment here is better than your others. I agree with most (not all) of what you have said. Surely no one, even a non-Christian, should be foolish enough to believe that they will lead a suffering free life. The evidence to the contrary is too voluminous to believe otherwise. However, I DO believe that God can and does give us the ability to be happy, often times in SPITE of our suffering. I still don’t buy Christian package 100%, but the fact that we will all suffer is irrefutable.

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Ron September 10, 2016 at 7:08 pm

Well the Scumbag never gave me a wife and family which he gave to Millions of other people which i will never understand at all.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:21 am

Hello Ron:
What was it that made you think God, or anyone else, was going to GIVE you anything? I don’t know you, but, unless you are a fiend, and I doubt that, there IS a woman out there for you, though you may not recognize her at first. Have you considered all manner of women, and not just the “hotties” that many men (I’m not accusing you here) seem to think they are entitled to? I met and married a great women, who was not the best looking woman I ever met, nor was I the best looking man she ever met, but she is a WONDERFUL woman overall.

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Jessica Autumn September 10, 2016 at 11:54 am

Great perspective. This type of thinking has hindered me over and over in my walk with God and almost pushed me away from him completely. The prosperity message is so engrained in our society its really hurting us spirtually. It’s very hard to get away from.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:23 am

Good for you, Jessica. The prosperity gospel, as you rightly say, is false. Indeed, it is the song of Satan, telling you (and me) that if we don’t have everything we want, God must have failed us. I don’t know if you have ever watched TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) but if you do, stop immediately. A larger bunch of heretics would be hard to find anywhere.

God bless,
Jim

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Mas September 10, 2016 at 8:40 am

What has Jesus done for blacks who stupidly follow him blindly? Jesus doesn’t support black lives matter or the poor.

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Bunnie September 11, 2016 at 7:30 pm

He’s done A LOT: saved us from our sins, given us eternal life, never left us, formed us in the womb, numbered the hairs on our heads, gives us strength, endows us with power, fills us with joy, heals our bodies, heals our souls, heals our minds, reminds us we are His, enables us to stand, provides for us, opens doors no man can shut, gives us hope and a future. Do you need more or is this enough to start?

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Denise Green September 24, 2016 at 1:37 am

I agree with you totally on that.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:26 am

Dear Mas:
How do you know what you say? How do you know blacks follow Him blindly? Do you know every black person? And have you checked with all black people to ascertain that He has not benefited them? As for the poor, no organization on earth, including governmental ones, does more for the poor than the Christian church, so I KNOW your statement about them is untrue. Finally, what an insult to black people that they blindly follow God. Do so research before you make the absurd blanket statements.

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lynn pabon September 8, 2016 at 6:33 am

Once in a while I come back and read this article. I cant get over how Gods plan is really depressing. So if what you say is true, then we are screwed. Instead of god making life truly wonderful, we are given a painful and miserable existence of following him.

I wonder why would god set it up this way. Why does it have to be so difficult? Life is hard enough being a sinner now we have extra burdens of being his servant .

Complete self denial. Always having to give and never receive.

Never having our desires come true.

Oh but GOD wants his praise and worship everyday…. Screw you just make sure you give God praise.

I see alot of similarities between a tyrant and God.

What kind of father only cares about his own glory while his so called children suffer in need?

Tyrants do the same thing. They give you this false impression like theyre some great leader: they love abd care about you just so they can control and manipulate.

In truth they dont care about you they just want to use you. You’re nothing but a slave ( servant).

God is no different.

God: praise and worship me!

Me: can i have e something for once?

God: no i do whatever I want.

God is a tyrant.

And guess what? When you go to heaven its to praise and worship him for all eternity.

What kind of reward is that? Sounds like a reward for him more than anything.

I can’t serve someone who’s system is set up for his own gratification.

I just find it odd how people can’t see the selfishness of this deity.

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Jodi September 8, 2016 at 7:51 am

@Lynn…I’m tempted, at times to take on this view especially when sister’s who profess their faith in Christ, pull up in their BMW with their perfect hair and silk garments temporarily forgetting that their pulling into a subsidised housing for the poor and the fact I live on scraps barely making it by on my disability. There are those in my family making upwards of 150k a year but have somehow forgotten they have one of their own in hardship and suffering who desperately need their Christian charity. These are believer’s and this is the scene we read in scripture of the last days where people will become lover’s of themselves. Don’t be so hard on God because He only just sent His son to die a horrible death we all deserve, not Him. Then I realize there’s no better love then that and then I recall to mind the life Jesus led and how He suffered, and He never once sinned! He suffered in every way and more. We have not suffered to the point of bloodshed like Jesus did. I would encourage you to read all the promises God said would come to those who would sacrifice their lives for His name sake. We think were missing out on the here and now but that’s just what the accuser wants us to believe. He wants as to curse the very God who saved us. I won’t mind worshipping a God who loved me enough to send his very own to take my punishment. In contrast, my very own has rejected me because of my confidence in Him never compromising and if I to get off track by thinking in the material worlds way, He gently reminds me that I am not of this world and my citizenship is in His world… There’s nothing note comforting then that as I look at my Christian sister’s who choose to remain blind and turn away from the obvious! Psalm 73

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Martin September 8, 2016 at 3:37 pm

Lynn, it is a matter of perspective, what you believe, and how much you believe it. How REAL is God to you? God has given us an either/or proposition. Heaven, or Hell. No matter how bad our lives here get, Hell will be much worse, and that suffering will be eternal. Let’s not even take the time to wax poetic about Heaven, let’s just talk about how bad Hell will be. It Hell REAL to you? Is it REAL to YOU? I mean, if it is, then, end of discussion. OK God, I’ll shut the F up, and keep marching.

Look, we are all human. We bitch, we moan. Life is not perfect. But God is testing us. It is not just a matter of, hey God, I love you, send me to heaven. Our faith in God is to be tested. The Accuser of the brethren, Satan, is doing the accusing. The book of Job always kind of pissed me off. God lets Satan just torture Job because God was “showing him off”. Look at my good servant. Then he let Satan tear into him. Well, that is just the lay of the land. Get hung up on the whys and wherefores if you like, but what will that GET you? Ponder that a second.

If you believe Hell is real, and you want to avoid it, whatcha gonna do?? This is the ultimate test of your beliefs. The FEAR of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. The reason I think this is true, well, it is scripture, it is supposed to be true, but the reason I think this makes SENSE is, that if one fears God, it presupposes a belief in this invisible God strong enough to elicit fear. Do you actually FEAR what God may do to you? This is all reality check stuff. Do you REALLY believe in God?

I was royally PISSED at God for a long time. But, I never disbelieved in who or what he was, but I was mad he would not help me. So my question to you is, do you REALLY LITERALLY believe in all this stuff. If things are tough, bitch, moan, piss and spit. Crappy circumstances suck. But if you really believe, you will come back around.

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G Terrell September 13, 2016 at 8:29 am

Martin,

How do you know a god EVEN exists? Because a complicated, confusing often hypocritical story book called the Bible says so??????
Well I bet if you had been raised by parents and a church that believe the Stay Puff Marsh Mellow Man was god – you would believe it too.
Get it? It only takes a few generations to totally change the consciousness of a group of people, no matter how large. We have been drinking the Kool-Aide for some 2000 years. That’s a lot of Kool-Aide!
Happy Trails in Reality – GT.

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Jodi September 13, 2016 at 1:06 pm

GT….There is plenty of evidence… Eye witness evidence!

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Daniel September 14, 2016 at 10:20 am

The problem is rarely about a lack of evidence… People tend to believe what they want to. In the bible there is a story about Lazarus, who died and was raised again after he had been dead for a while – and this was in front of many witnesses! We tend to project our existing belief systems on to whatever we are witnessing. If the story of Lazarus happened today it would be no different. Many people would just say “it didn’t happen.” You would ask them why and they would reply “because dead people don’t rise from the dead” or “he wasn’t really dead”, etc.. Most people would say this even if they were a witness to said event because they are so attached to what they already believe.

Martin September 13, 2016 at 5:01 pm

G Terrell How or what I know is unimportant to you. You are you. What YOU believe is the only thing of importance to you. People waste a lot of time and effort looking sideways at the paths of others. Keep your eyes on your own path and follow it.
Enjoy your life, your path, as best you can. Cheers.

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Jodi September 13, 2016 at 5:32 pm

Honestly Martin, how is your method helping… Can u see the compassion Jesus had with the women at the well?

Martin September 13, 2016 at 7:19 pm

Jodi Method?? I am just being honest. How I came to my knowledge and certainty of God is between me and God. Everything I stated is true. That in itself is a good, Godly, thing to do. People DO waste a lot of time and effort looking sideways, instead of minding the path that they are on. You are alluding to the notion of, why did I not try and win Terrell over for Jesus? I don’t really have to. He has a bit of knowledge. How he reacts to it is ENTIRELY up to him. I very much like what I told Terrell. Mind your OWN path. If God wants to enter in and influence that path, he will. Or he will not. I am not terribly compassionate, so why should I “Play” at being compassionate. I am more of a hard choice, either or type of guy. So, I do what I do. If your strength is compassion, then BE compassionate. That is what YOU are meant to do.

Jodi September 13, 2016 at 7:42 pm

just think you are harsh. If we are to become imitators of Christ, and not become just a sounding gong or cymbal, we must demonstrate love, bc without it we are just loveless, lifeless noise. Jesus dealt with all personality types and effected change, good or bad, he was diplomatic… I think you have allot of good to teach, I’ve enjoyed reading but I believe your corners could use some softening some, we are in the business of being ambassadors and representatives… As in the words of Paul, I will be as you are in the hopes of winning you to Christ! In love, brother

Martin September 13, 2016 at 8:09 pm

Jodi, thanks, advice taken in love. Re: Softer Corners. I am reminded of us not all being an eye, or a nose, or an ear. We are all different. Revelations speaks of 7 Churches, all with different strengths and weaknesses.

I, like you, see the methods of others as different than my own. But, if the message is good, it is good. My style, as well as my theology, is fairly gritty as compared to others. Is this good, bad, or, just different. I don’t concern myself with that question. I do not try and portray an image. In fact, I believe TRYING to portray an image is a dangerous thing. It can lead a person to try and portray an image for the sake of portraying an image. And when you do that, you are no longer focusing on God, but focusing on the image you have created for yourself. You begin to serve your own “good” image. You are no longer serving God.

Also, when you are trying to project an image, you LOOK like you are trying to project an image. You look contrived, not genuine. I like to keep it real, be who I am, and speak the truth to the best of my ability. I won’t consciously try and smooth my own corners. If the Spirit wants to do this, it knows how. 🙂

Marvin September 18, 2016 at 7:01 pm

Because a complicated, confusing often hypocritical story book called the Bible says so??????……
Does this mean you handle read the Bible or have you gotten your information from those that reject God?

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Bunnie September 11, 2016 at 7:31 pm

You are looking for a genie, that’s your problem.

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G Terrell September 13, 2016 at 7:10 am

Lynn,

God’s message doesn’t say you cant have fun – you just can’t have drop dead, knock your socks off fun! No partying with alcohol or drugs – even though many are legalized today! No, God wants you sober and raw so he can have you under control. Sex? Only if you are married and with that one spouse, and don’t think about masturbation either! And for heaven sakes, don’t even think about looking at somebody and having carnal thoughts – no Ma’am! Can’t be human with normal human urges. Marriage gets kinda boring after a few years in the bedroom, trust me. The Europeans have it right – take a lover and stay married to keep the family stable.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:31 am

Dear Lynn P.:
I would ask you how you got anything you have? Did you create corn, cows, veggies for sustenance? Did you create other people for company? Did you create anything? And when you were a kid, and your mom and dad were giving you ALL that you needed to survive, did you not believe they deserved your love for doing that? Same for God, except to the nth factor. Choosing to believe God is helping you or not is your choice, but your comments above, and YOUR apparent inaction in doing anything YOURSELF to help others shows you have not thought through your beliefs enough. I hope you do so, because to live a life blaming someone else for all that is bad in your or others’ lives is a miserable way to live.

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Kathy Settles September 6, 2016 at 10:02 am

So people GO to church and many for reasons of “Safety” and “Duty” but when we realize we ARE the church, we that Believe and Receive Jesus into our hearts, and not just our minds, then we learn to have compassion and weep with those that weep and rejoice with those that rejoice. We learn to take the bitter with the sweet and praise God for who He is and not what He can do for us. May we stop being self-righteous and be all Jesus wants us to be and put us here on this earth to accomplish. Even HE said to the Father “Not my will but thy will be done.” Those that turn to say they are aethiests are doing so because they are angry with God. They know that oxygen coming from trees isn’t random but they just don’t want to agree with God right now based on hurt and disappointment. We who Believe need to Love and be Patient and Pray for them instead of making matters worse. This was a thought provoking article. Thank you.

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G Terrell September 13, 2016 at 7:24 am

Kathy,

Why do we need CHURCH if we the People are the answer? We can help each other and do great things in the world WITHOUT a man-made god.
You say atheists are angry with god – maybe they are fed-up with the OUTDATED versions of god that we have today. God hasn’t had a prophet in millenniums. It all seemed to die with the 12 disciples and JC back around 40 AD. No new news is well no news. We have an outdated spiritual book. In the words of Duran Duran, we need a New Religion. Happy Trails in Reality – GT.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:34 am

G. Terrell:

One only has to look at the condition of the world to know your statement is untrue. As for atheism, atheistic regimes are responsible for more murder and mayhem that all religions included over all of recorded history.

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Cheryl Powell September 5, 2016 at 8:09 am

How dare you say that Jesus does not have a wonderful plan for our lives! That is the most arrogant and irresponsible thing I have ever heard! You need prayer buddy!

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Mas September 10, 2016 at 8:38 am

Cheryl, prove this you can’t. Jesus can’t be the son of God as there were no Israelites in Canaan at the time. Also Jesus was invented by the Greeks and adopted by Europe as a way to justify slavery and indoctrinating the masses to foolery.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:39 am

Dear Mas: No events of antiquity have more documentary and “hostile witness (people whose witness would be against God)proof than the events and people of the Bible, so, contra you, we can, and have proven it. You can choose to believe it or not, but your “Jesus was invented by the Greeks” statement is hogwash, as my comment above proves. BTW, my statement is NOT that of a Christian, but of secular historians and archeologists.

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G Terrell September 13, 2016 at 8:21 am

Cheryl,

What a pompous response. Are you a Baptist? I wouldn’t doubt it.
You harbor a passion for your god more fervent than your fellow man.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:41 am

G.T.

Her response was NOT pompous, but simply that of a believer. You have the ability to disagree, but don’t say insulting (and wrong) things just because someone disagrees with you, especially since your last statement is one you are unable to have ANY proof of.

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Ben September 4, 2016 at 6:01 pm

Why the hell would he?

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Henry September 2, 2016 at 8:00 am

Truth be told, those millions of useful idiots claiming to be Christians filling the pews of thousands of churches across America are just as bad or worse than Barrack H Obama, Hellary Clinton, and Donald Trump put together. Those millions of useful idiots claiming to be Christians, save a few, are the evil bastards from the pit of hell trying to mimic Christians, otherwise the Legalization of Separation of Church and State, Affirmative Action, Abortion on Demand, Euthanasia, Divorce, Sodomy, Same Sex Marriage, and the bans imposed by the tyrannical Supreme Court Buffoons on the display of the Ten Commandments, Bible Reading, and Prayer Recitation in Public Education, would not exist.
http://ifyoudontknowjesuschristintimately.blogspot.com/

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Martin September 2, 2016 at 8:17 am

Henry, you are the idiot, idiot. They are fulfilling prophecy: Many are called, few are chosen. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Don’t be gleeful of the missteps of others, or you will follow them.

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Daniel September 2, 2016 at 10:10 am

This web page has been up for quite some time now and I’ve read almost every comment… I’ve commented on it a few times, often in response to someones comment.. The pattern is clear: Some people seem to comment because they’ve come to hate God so much that they’ve chosen to not believe in Him any more (what else can one do to a divine being that is all powerful that they can’t stand?). However, MOST that have commented are people that DO certainly believe in the Christian God and just want to ridicule and blame Him for everything – things that for the most part are a byproduct of human freedom of choice.. Question: Why do you think that the evil one is called “The Great Accuser”? I used to think that we were the ones being accused, but I now believe that the scripture was referring to God. When we accuse God of not being good or not being true, we are actually aligning ourselves with the oldest trespass in the book – the one that actually occurred before the very first human sin! Accusing God is proof that you believe in Him, and that you hate Him. It’s simple logic.

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Matin September 2, 2016 at 5:31 pm

While we have had a run of simple haters here lately, many people are those that have been given false teaching, given a false impression of what following God is about. It is a tough road, not an easy one. Those that fall hardest have been told God will solve all of their problems and give them a happy life. I used to be in the HEAVILY disgruntled category. I never lost sight of who and what God was, but, BOY, was I pissed and disappointed. My thoughts went along the lines of, Come on God, you KNOW I am with you, help me out here….. throw a guy a bone now and then…..
Now, having gotten through the worst of my troubles, I just try and post a little insight here now and then.

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Daniel September 3, 2016 at 7:15 pm

I hear you… Some of it is false teaching. And some of it is just unrealistic expectations based on cultural influences that are based on popular ideas that have no basis in fact.

jim October 25, 2016 at 9:51 am

Wrong, what you have come across is a TON of people hurting, suffering, and with some lashing out as a result. And YOUR (not God’s) bible tells you to denounce them with curse words and calumny (look it up) which is not only unhelpful, but is a blasphemous sin. Instead of searching yourself like Martin and Daniel, et al (look it up) and checking to see if perhaps YOU are that horrid sinner you call others, you go on in your pharisaical crusade, throwing dirt on the God you claim to love. God can and does handle anger at Him (read a Psalm or two) but He CANNOT and WILL NOT handle you becoming Peter, sword in hand, chopping off ears whether He has commanded it or not.

jim October 25, 2016 at 9:43 am

Don’t worry, Henry, Martin insults because he has no other weapon. He “loves” God while hating all His creation, including His finest creation, mankind, and then pats himself on the back. Ignore Martin like you would a turd on the ground, as he as about as useful and valuable to step on as to listen to.

Cue Martin cursing and going on like a child…….

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Bunnie September 11, 2016 at 7:34 pm

Thanks for demonstrating the difference between someone who is religious and someone who loves others because God loves them. You are the former, I pray you’ll repent if your idolatrous mix of Christian symbols and excessive love of country. You are in no position to condemn anyone.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:44 am

Henry:
Your comments are all insult and no facts. And the separation of church and state is NOT a legal fact, but simply something Thomas Jefferson said to a church ( !) in Danbury, CT, and he was arguing for this so that RELIGION, not government, would not be polluted. Do some research before you reply again. And you commit BLASPHEMY by condemning those who you don’t even know slightly as Hell bound. Read the Bible sometime, and maybe someday YOU will be a real Christian.

Jim

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Bill September 1, 2016 at 8:41 am

It is a sound article to Christians for Christians. This article does not really apply to anyone else at all. It is a good theological argument about the contents of the Bible. It is neither an argument for nor against the existence of deity; it is simply the correct interpretation of the Word of God, so to speak.
Thank you sir for the article. It reminds me that faith should not be based on fair weather alone.

GOD’S NOT DEAD! HE IS SURELY ALIVE! I know this for a fact because America has taught me to be mad at him.

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CeCeVee September 1, 2016 at 8:45 am

Bravo, Bill, bravo! Yes!!

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Candy Smith August 31, 2016 at 4:55 pm

The title of this website IS COMPLETELY STUPID!!!

This goes out to anyone who is thinking of believing this!! It’s not true!! It’s actually a stupid article!!!
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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:46 am

Candy:
Evidence, please? Just stating something is wrong is not the same as proving it so. Please provide at least a little back up for your comment.

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Candy Smith August 31, 2016 at 4:54 pm

The title of this website IS COMPLETELY STUPID!!!

This goes out to anyone who is thinking of believing this!! It’s not true!! It’s actually a stupid article!!
Candy Smith recently posted..Disconnecting from the Collective Conscious [sic]My Profile

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Kali August 30, 2016 at 6:02 am

Fuck you fake ass Christians and your bull shit Christ . the only father of lies is his petty ass god the father (aka) jehova
You all so quickly jump on your soap box
When he is questioned. Fuck all of you for force feeding us your Bible for years.
News flash! No one is coming to save your Hippocrate asses you bunch of Saintimonyous bastarts. Try asking those black people who murdered in their own church by a White kid they just prayed for.
Where the fuck was Jesus then ?
I’ll bet they called him but got no answer..
Death arrived on time but god couldn’t give a fuck! You want to hold on to your sky daddy fine! I respect that! but leave the rest of us alone to make our own choices. That being said go to your megachurch and shove your heads up your pastor’s ass and wait for the second coming of NO ONE!

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Josi August 30, 2016 at 7:13 am

@Kali…Not all Christians are the way you’ve described. I too have been burned even by those in my own family professing to be a believer. There are shameful witnesses all around us and if you’ll read what Jesus said about, He say we ought to expect it because He has endured all the pain and disappointment you have described and more to save us. His way of love is different from flesh. He loves with Spirit and Truth and there is no more trustworthy a love then that. When all others walk out Jesus walks in. He is your only friend not your enemy and Satan wins more souls this way then any other. Ask Jesus to show you. He is a perfect gentleman and will not pressure you. He came so that you could live. How sad it would be for you to die in your sins realizing they’d already been atoned for. Jesus was a man of sorrow’s and knew grief. This world is not the home of a believer, our citizenship is not of this place. How would you like to live in a place where there is none of the things happening that you mentioned?. No murder, rape, sickness, homelessness, hunger, poverty, sorrow, depression, hate, lying, deceiving, stealing, none of these things bc sin is done away with…can u imagine a place like this? And on top of that we get to be with Jesus for eternity! So if you think what you’ve written is some mild case of rejection, real rejection will be one you cannot even fathom in your current state of angst and hatred of heart that your feeling. Hell is very real and the worst rejection is that of a living God who Has the power too cast you into living torment a worse existence then planet earth. But God made a plan and His very own Son took our place bc sin cannot go unpunished. Just as any Judge in our court system could not let that white boy walk away free for his murderous crimes, a Holy and Righteous God cannot look upon sin. Jesus became sin for us. And God is a just God and we live in a fallen world but one day God has promised to make it all right again. Something God entrusted us too we screwed up so there’s no blaming God for what has happened to us since the garden incident. I use to feel exactly the same way until I came to know the one and only who can show you but you have to ask. So ask! If you would like to be encouraged or mentored further, I am only an e-mail away. I will pray you ask Jesus to reveal himself to you and I guarantee you He will. Read the book of John chapter 3 and don’t stop reading. I pray the living God pour out his spirit upon you for it is you he wrote this book and it is you He died for!

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Martin August 31, 2016 at 6:33 pm

Life is a testing ground, and it can be a very cruel testing ground. The challenge is for a person to be able to keep an eye on what is eternal, while things go to hell in the here and now.

That is the challenge of being a Christian.

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jim October 25, 2016 at 9:53 am

And here’s hoping you do it some day, Martin, as your posts to me, and others, show you aren’t even close. I usually add the postscript that I am not trying to be insulting, but your comments are so horrifically
un-christian, that I will not be saying that here.

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Bunnie September 11, 2016 at 7:38 pm

Tell you what, say this out loud and see what happens: “God that Christians claim to worship, I don’t believe in you. In fact I hate you because of those who claim to worship you. If you are real, help me not to hate else I become JUST like those I hate now. Blood of Jesus, name of Jesus, whatever, save me if you can”

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jim October 25, 2016 at 10:00 am

Bunnie, I know not if you really mean this, or are just being sarcastic to shame some here for what they write, but either way, yours is a good post. Many here, myself included, have lambasted others who are, or at least claim to be Christians, rather than pray to God or do some other good thing to bring them around to the right place. So, just because of your post, I am asking here forgiveness from those above who I have derided, and ask for forgiveness for having derided them. God bless you, Bunnie.

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Jim November 7, 2016 at 9:50 am

Kali: Despite your deliberately inflammatory comments, I will answer you as a reasonable and intelligent person would, if only so you will finally realize how to do this. For starters, the family members of the black people who were killed did in fact pray for the murderer, so perhaps they know something you don’t. Jesus NEVER promised to make our lives suffering-free, but He did say He would save you from your sins. He, of course, did so for all who believe. Your baseless anger shows you to be a juvenile, and someone who doesn’t want to even TRY to get it right. Go bloviate somewhere else, as your comments neither defeat God, nor support your side.

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Henry August 28, 2016 at 8:24 pm

Chloe of the mountain, are you a born again Christian?

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Ryan Kenneth Giordano Tallahassee August 24, 2016 at 10:08 am

i agree with you hannah , my heart burdens for these people when they are in hell it will be to late ,,,praise Jesus

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Hannah August 12, 2016 at 7:17 pm

You know, you have it all wrong there. You see, Christ does not promise us a perfect life on earth. He says that we will all undergo trials in this life. However, what he does promise is a perfect, amazing life in heaven. God says he has a perfect plan for our lives. He uses everything for our good, even the suffering and trials we go through are for our good. I mean, don’t we all learn a few things from hardship? It’s kind of like when your mom tells you to clean your room. You don’t listen to her, and then you end up having a room that’s so messy you can’t find any of your stuff in the midst of the trash everywhere. Then, through the struggle, you learn that you need to keep your room tidy. This is a small demonstration, and I understand there are much, much worse things we undergo, such as lost loved one. Even that, God can use for people’s good! We all struggle in this life, but did you know that God himself went through this life of suffering too? He came as Jesus to save us from this short life full of pain and suffering. All of this suffering is caused by sin, and Jesus lived a life perfectly, where he never sinned. He was rejected, beaten, mocked, and scorned. He died a gruesome death, and rose from the dead claiming victory over sin. Now, he tells us, if we trust him, that he destroyed sin, and if we want a perfect, eternal place to live in, we must strive every day to live for him, and not for sin. We must stop sinning. Of course, we will mess up, we who believe will never be perfect until we die. But he even promises to help in our weakness to sin, he promises to be with us in our struggle. And I say that it is worth it to give your life to God.

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Hannah August 20, 2016 at 3:20 pm

I have the answer for why God allows suffering. Yes, this is hard to understand, and many try and say that Satan created sin. But did he really? Satan does not have any power over God, and he can actually do nothing apart from God. Just look at the beginning of the book of Job and you will see that Satan had to ask God for permission to make Job suffer. Satan has a leash. Does this mean God is liar? No, absolutely not! God allowed, and let me say it, he ordained sin in this world. But he also made good things, he ordained pleasure and happiness. Yes, sin is awful, it is painful, and it’s heart wrenching. However, if there was no pain, or suffering, how would we ever know what joy is? What happiness is like? If we did not know suffering, we would not fully understand what joy or pleasure is like. I mean, what if we never felt really bad heat in the summer? Or experienced bone chilling cold in the winter? We wouldn’t really care if it’s spring, where it’s the perfect temperature, because we’ve never experienced the opposite effects. Have you ever heard of the saying, “you don’t know what you have until it’s gone?” This reminded me of when all of the water in the house was not working. I couldn’t take a shower, or wash the dishes until it was fixed. I was so used to washing my hands after making a sticky peanut butter sandwich. So, when I came to the sink, I forgot I couldn’t wash my hands! Boy, was that annoying to me! I actually did not know what to do to get the sticky stuff off my hands… But it gave me joy that I had something as small as a running faucet in the house. God allows sin in the world, he allows pain, so that we will come to him and find true joy in him. He allows us to have pleasures, good pleasures! He wants us to experience them to the fullest! But he also wants us to make good decisions before we die. And some of those decisions maybe tough to make, such as helping out a poor man on the street even though we would really rather go sit back on our comfy couches and watch TV. Sometimes, God calls us to suffer, but remember, through the suffering, he gives strength and joy.

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jpr August 4, 2016 at 1:20 pm

That just goes to show that the belief in Jesus Christ is utter bullshit hatched up by Emperor Constantine a pagan.
Christ abandoned me as a child while being raised by a sigle mom who was mentally ill and beat me 7 times a fucking day because she was a god damn man hater. I did everything thing that was expected of me gave my heart to him prayed every day to him to no avail. Christianity is false and anyone that believes that shit should have their heads examined for if you think for one minute that he will deliver you from your problems you had better think again he doesn’t give a flying fuck about you.
You would have a better chance having your prayers answered by mammon instead of a pseudo saviour.

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Josi August 4, 2016 at 2:35 pm

@jpr-how can u speak like that about a God who died for u?….Satan has fed u as lie! Do not believe it….I was raised in an abusively dysfunctional home and not much changed when we all grew up! This world is not our home and people will let u down, period! They did it to Jesus and He said they will do it to us!…But take heart!, Jesus Say’s for I hgave overcome the world! Listen, u have a choice, u can either do one of two things, believe a lie or read God’s word which is trustworthy…. And which was written for u!….the pain you’ve endured will not go unnoticed by a God who See’s everything but u have to take Him at His word and believe what it Say’s! And reject the accuser, the Father of lies!

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Scott August 20, 2016 at 10:16 am

If we were sent here and Satan was ruler here to deceive us all and everyone is told to believe in Jesus then is that us being deceived. Fuck this stupid fucking universe.

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Josi August 30, 2016 at 11:31 am

Scott, Satan does not own this world but He does roam to and fro. His main goal is to take as many souls with him as possible and he knows his time is nearly up. You need a change in perspective for Satan preys on the deceived and misinformed. God says my people ate destroyed for lack of knowledge. Please don’t be one if them. It’s tragic to die in your state of agnst anger and hatred knowing your sins have already been atoned for yet you lack the wherewithal to discover why. Read John 3 and seek out why Jesus suffered so for you, yes you! He loves you more then any worst pain anyone has inflicted upon you because it was first inflicted upon your Savior! He understands the very core and depth of your pain…Let him in! His promises are real and true and trustworthy. I know bc it did it for me and I believe every word Jesus ever spoke! I pray you seek and find the one who died for you! His words were written with you in mind. Let him show you what the world has lied to you about. I’m here for you!

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mstair August 4, 2016 at 7:46 am

“Our skull shape and size and the sounds our languages make, link us to the species of homo sapiens. There are SOME within the species, however, who are enabled by God to transcend reality. That’s the wonderful plan part. The Bible says that your belonging to Christ makes you one of them. Give thanks today for God’s favor.”

Excerpt From: Mike Stair. “On Earth As It Is In Heaven.” iBooks. https://itun.es/us/DZeA8.l

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Joseph Tribble July 27, 2016 at 3:58 am

thank you, but I’ve already read his word, that’s how I got to,be this way in the first place. Seeing so much injustice by him. He is a fool! and a coward! Who can’t stand up for us when he needs to, only when he wants to. and always after someone is dead!, after someone is raped! after the evil deed is done! only to proclaim he’s righteous!??? he never has been!! and never will be!! Either way I’ve had to enough of him, and this pathetic excuse of what he calls a (perfect) world! LOVE, LIFE, FAITH, BELIEVING, is only for the foolish! this is my last time writing on here. and as I expected he is so much tyrant, and bully he couldn’t grant one of his children a small answer to a question that plagues him. I pray some how there is more of him, at least one stronger than him, and I pray he kicks his ass!!! everyday!! So he can at least get a true understanding of what injustice he’s doing, and giving us. Goodbye.

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CeCeVee July 27, 2016 at 4:21 am

May God have mercy on your soul and may you see the Light before it is too late. Goodbye.

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Mark S. August 1, 2016 at 8:57 pm

I am a little disappointed that you left, Joe. I actually was relating to you on so many levels. At the same time, there are very clear answers to your questions.

Let me say this, firstly. Jesus said that there would be tribulation. Gotta accept that, in spite of all you may think of Him. I mean really? He told you that, didnt He?

Didnt He also say that you must die – daily? Didnt he say you would have to carry a cross?

““If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. ” Luke 9:23

What about denying yourself? He said that too. Basically, he didnt promise us wine and roses. He bids us to come and – DIE. Additionally, he said we cant even be His disciple if we dont!

Y0u may think this sounds like I am defending God, but I am not. Well, of a sort I suppose I am, but not the way you think. I am just pointing out that he warned us many times that things would be difficult if we decided to follow Him. He said there would be tribulation. He was honest with us. Thats a good thing, right?

Ok, you may say – I know all of that, but that doesnt seem right somehow. Thats kinda what you have been saying, and you know what – you are right! Even Job agrees with you! He said he had done no wrong, and what was happening to him was unfair. Its not a new question. Every Christian asks it, often multiple times throughout their walk. Some Christians fall away, while others hang on and trust God. This isnt a value judgment. Its just a fact.

So, I am not going to address that question any further. Whether or not we can know what God is up to is irrelevant – even though I believe we can – even if we cant, he already told us to count the cost. He said it would be difficult. So, if we decide to follow Him, we need to know – there will be pain. It will even seem out of balance, and unfair, as Job asked “Why do the wicked prosper?” Job 21:7

There is one other point that you made – and a very good one. We already know that God has said there would be suffering, but the question is: WHY? You know THAT is the main question throughout your entire thread. And you know something? Thats a pretty good question! Would you believe there is an answer? Well, actually, there are multiple answers to the question: Why? But lets just address one of them.

We have to go back, back to the beginning. Even further back than Eden, back to heaven itself – the place we all are supposed to want to go, right? Lets start Here:

“Then war broke out in heaven…” Rev 12:7

What ?

Thats right – WAR. War in heaven. Unthinkable! But that is exactly what happened.

You know, almost no one considers this verse when they think of the plight and pain and suffering in the world. But the fact is, sin did NOT begin here, on earth, in the Garden. It began in Heaven. Beautiful, wonderful, harmonious, love filled, heaven.

The question I have for you is this. If heaven was where sin began, why should we want to go there anyway? I mean we hear it over and over again – suffering, pain, death, woe is the result of sin. Right?

Do you want to go back to the very thing that you say you hate? Really – you have said throughout your posts – why suffering, pain, death… SIN? Why does God allow it?

Again GREAT QUESTION! And yes, I am shouting because its such a good question!

Why does God allow it? If we could answer that question, a lot of things would make a lot of sense.

Why does God allow sin? Why didnt God eradicate it the moment it raised its ugly head? He could have, we reason. And we’d be right. He surely could have, because He Is God. He could of turned Lucifer into a puff of smoke, but he didnt. WHY? Surely that would have been the end of sin, pain sorrow, suffering. WHY?

The first sin was in heaven, no doubt about it. Lucifer, somehow fomented a spirit of disaffection among many of the other heavenly beings, ultimately leading to the casting out of a third of heaven! Thats a lot of Angels – we know because God says in His word that there are ten thousands of Angels in His presence, even now. Ten Thousand x Ten thousand: Rev 5:11. Thats about a 100 million angels. So, that means somewhere around 30 million or so were cast to earth. But he also says that every child has an angel! “Take heed that you despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven…” Matt 18:10 That means a whole lot more than a mere 100 million. But I digress. The important thing to know is that Lucifer, known now as the adversary (satan) is the originator of ALL rebellion. He alone is responsible for the sin problem. I could go into a bible study and demonstrate that the adversary’s downfall was pride, and further, why pride is so dangerous because in it is basically an idol, the worship of self. Self cannot save us. It is Blasphemy to call oneself God, and that is precisely what we do when we have pride.

So, sin began in heaven, with the covering Cherub, who once was the very presence of God. Satan, was a covering Cherub according to the Bible. If you look at the Sanctuary, in the Holy of Holies, you see the 2 covering Cherubs, hovering over Gods throne. This is how we know that Lucifer was in the very presence of God. Ezek 28:14

Now, the question is, why didnt God simply destroy the devil and his angels immediately?

Well, we have to put on a thinking cap for a minute. First of all, the devil has another name – the “Accuser” Job 1:6, Zechariah 3:1, 1 Pet 5:8. But lets focus on Zechariah:

“Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him.”

So Satan was at Joshua’s right hand accusing who? Accusing GOD, thats who! He also accuses Gods children because we are aligned with Him.

Think about it. There are a plethora of instances in the Bible where Satan either accused God of unrighteousness, or moved others to do the same. THIS is where your answer lie. This devil has accused God from the beginning. Note, that the Bible tells us he is a liar and has been one from the beginning. But what did Satan lie about? He Lied about GOD. This can be the only answer. He told the angels lies about God, why else were they deceived? Yes, the fallen angels were deceived too. Did you know that? Rev 12: 3,4 says:

“…and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth…”

A tail signifies lies in symbolic Bible language. Look at this link for a good description of the use of tail in the Bible:

http://www.biblemeanings.info/Words/Animal/Tail.htm

The point is, that Lucifer lies pretty much about everything pertaining to God. Everything is Gods fault. God is too harsh, God isnt fair, Why should we follow a God whose law we cannot keep? All – ALL lies to take the light off of the real cause of earthly woe – the Devil himself.

Ok, so we know whose fault it is, but the question is – your question is, WHY does God continue to allow it?

Well, that question goes to the heart of the reason for Christian suffering. God did tell us that there would be suffering, tribulation, temptation and the like. He said that God makes the rain to fall on the wicked, and on the just. In other words ALL people are subject to suffering. But there is something different about Christian suffering. We too must suffer. The question then is, how do we handle it? \

If the Christian handles suffering the way the world does, then Satan is right. God is unfair. But, if the Christian handles calamity as though it is the result of sin, and not of God, he proves Satan to be a liar.

IF God were to have ended the devils existence the moment he rebelled, the problem would raise its head again, someday, somewhere. Remember, we have a lot of evidence that satan accuses God of being unfair, unreasonable and harsh. He Accuses God. But who does he accuse God to? There can be only one answer: The rest of the universe. He accuses God before the Angels, beings of other worlds, and humans. He is, the Accuser. So, if someone accuses, what do we normally do? Why, we listen to the case, of course! But – if the accuser is suddenly killed or destroyed by the accused, what would we think? Well, I know what I would think. I would think maybe there was some truth to the accusations that were being made. Suspicion. Yes, suspicion would fill all of heaven for all of eternity. It would no longer be called “heaven”.

The fact is, this battle that rages in the spiritual realm is one in which God is on trial. Oh, he will be vindicated because he has demonstrated His real motives by giving Himself on the Cross, and he who held nothing back, but “delivered Him up for us all”, has broken the back of the devil. But there is still a lingering question – on in which you have asked over and over. Why does God allow suffering? Well, I hope you can see by now, that there really is no choice for free will human beings. We must make our free will choice. Gods way, the way of self sacrificing love, or the Devils way – where self is on the throne, and only misery and darkness can follow. Apart from Christ, we can do nothing.

God has shown the way, and provided the power of self sacrificing love. This is what the Kingdom of heaven is going to be like. Those who make it will have decided that God is trustworthy. They will “follow the lamb withersoever he goes”. They will keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12

So, that is the short version. Sin has to be shown for what it is. The Bible tells us that it is transgression of the law – 1 Jn 4:3. Jesus says that the Law (ten commandments) are simply to love the Lord with all the heart, mind and soul, and to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. The devil wants you to believe that you can have bliss without all of that.

Who do YOU believe?

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Daniel August 1, 2016 at 9:14 pm

Very interesting perspective. And very well put.

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Mark S. August 3, 2016 at 8:52 am

Greetings Daniel,

One thing I believe, is that our great Savior wants us to understand what is going on. He wants us to know the battle, and why it is raging. There is a lot at stake. Can you imagine sin raising its head again, say 10,000 years from now? No, that cannot be. (Nahum 1:9 and there are many principles that demonstrate sin will not rise again, eg, Babylon and here is a good look further: http://www.abible.com/devotions/2005/20050902-1019.html ) All of us Christians, and the rest of the universe must know, must – that doubting God brings misery and suffering. “Has God really said thou shalt not eat of the tree? – God must be holding something back from you…” Really? Look where this lie has led us. Untold misery and suffering has been the result of doubting God.

From that point hence, (Eden – actually heaven) the devil has challenged God’s goodness. He does it in different ways, but his favorite is to blame the plight of the world on God himself – Joe certainly believes it – and look how many others! How often do we hear the atheist proclaim the Christian God is evil because he allows suffering? Satan has done a masterful job, and by doing this, he keeps many from heaven. Each person who blames God openly, Christian or not, is doing the work of the devil. Its the perfect plan. Have Christians blame God too.

Sin and suffering has its origin in the devil, and nowhere else. Our suffering – the way we handle it – tells the universe what we believe. If suffering and sin is because God is unfair, this tells what is really in our hearts. We dont trust God. We are proclaiming our belief. If we accept that we are ambassadors of Christ – then we know why we are suffering, and we let the world know too. We proclaim Gods goodness no matter what. Do we doubt, yes! There will always be the challenge of doubt (until Jesus comes). But as the “righteous man falls seven times and rises again” we too, admit that God is good, over and over.

That sin and its woe is the product of the devil, and of man for allowing himself to be deceived, is a fact. Once we understand that,
then we can understand the verse that says “Rejoice in our trials!”

1 Pet 1:6,7

“In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

Tribulation must accompany the Christian life, and our reaction tells what we think about God, and proclaims who God really is. We both vindicate God (That is what glorifying God means), as well as our right to heaven, because of our faith in Christ. When we trust God, we both save ourselves & glorify God.

I suggest to myself first, and to everyone else, to sit down each morning before the day starts, and write down every thing we can think of demonstrating Gods goodness. When I do that prayerfully, I find that it really humbles me – and brings me closer to God.

I want to share my short thankfulness list.

1) God has the right to do with his creatures as he wishes – but He is a God of Love and Kindness.

2) God through Jesus provides life and substance to carry on each day.

3) The mercies of the Lord are new every morning, and His faithfulness never fails.

4) God has given life to me, and that life can be used to have eternal life with Him

5) Plenty of food and shelter.

6) That Jesus came to show us who the Father is.

7) That I can be called a son of God.

8) That God holds the bitter cup that I am forced to drink. (He only allows what we drink, and that is for our good)

9) Jesus purchased eternal Life for me.

10) Jesus is in the Sanctuary right now, pleading to my Father for me.

11) He Called me out of darkness into His marvelous light.

12) He Corrects me, so that I am not an illegitimate child, but a son.

Well, thats my list. Maybe it can give you an idea for your own. Believe me, You will be blessed if you try it.

Thank you for your kind words. I hope – and send a prayer that you may be blessed by Jesus this day, and forever.

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Joseph Tribble July 26, 2016 at 8:37 pm

he gave his word to us as a guide to help us stay righteous, but he can’t even stick to that word!! some God!! also we wouldn’t have to choose between heaven, or hell if he hadn’t committed sin by allowing his children to sin, while standing by, and twiddling his thumbs!! also who out of every person on this earth, or in it’s history asked to be born!!? hmm, anybody??????? So, since we didn’t ask at (ANY) the to be born, or (ANY) other favor from him, we owe him NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If anything he should be tortured day, and night! He should be the one answering to every, mother, father, sister, brother, why their sibling is dead!, why they were raped! why they were beaten!!!! it’s because he’s an asshole!!!!! and the only reason that everybody turns a blind eye to his evil doings!! is; because they are afraid of going to hell! a place God created to torture those who could not just turn a blind eye to his evil ways, and blame only the devil! until he can explain why he did this evil, I can’t serve him!! If he had no choice, then that’s different, If somebody else made him that’s different, but until then, it’s a NO GO!

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Josi July 26, 2016 at 9:03 pm

One day He will make everything new and right again. It is not for us to understand everything, only to trust a righteous and just and trustworthy holy God..His word is trustworthy…He is a man of sorrows and is acquainted with grief…He died to give us life, He died so that u could live…we are the ones who chose foolishly, He is the one who made our wrong right but He didn’t have to. He is the creator and we are His creation, we are not his equal…. I pray for u Joseph that God will enter ur heart and give u one of flesh removing the one of stone….and as u commit yourself to reading His word, which is life changing, I pray the power therein will change your viewpoint and perspective on a God u hate and currently despise, thereby transforming u into a completely different person! You will look back and be in awe of the supernatural power of a sovereign and merciful God!

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CeCeVee July 27, 2016 at 2:57 am

<3 <3 <3

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Daniel July 26, 2016 at 9:36 pm

@Joseph – are you looking for answers or are you looking to vent? Do you expect to get answers from this line of questioning or are you just trying to insult God by calling Him uncaring and unjust? I don’t understand what you want… Are you looking for God to change His ways to jive with your personal ideas of justice? What do you expect as a result?

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Martin July 26, 2016 at 9:43 pm

You have one simple problem Joseph, and it is pretty ridiculous. You think God answers to man. The sheer ABSURDITY of it. LOL. Chew on that. Let it settle in for a minute. Eat a Snickers. Your thinking is a little backward when you are hungry.

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CeCeVee July 27, 2016 at 2:52 am

@Daniel, Martin, & Josi- I’ve enjoyed reading your replies. I love seeing how God uses His hands and feet (and typing fingers). God bless you all.

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CeCeVee July 27, 2016 at 2:48 am

Joseph- if you truly want to know the truth, you need to ask God. Get in your Bible and dig and ask Him to reveal it to you. No one on earth will be able to reveal Spirit truths to you if you are not searching in the Spirit. God is a Spirit (John 4:24) that requires a different level of communication from us. We are so one dimensional (operating only in the flesh). Learn to operate in the Spirit (faith and trust in The Creator) it is a beautiful place to be! Search, and make sure all of your new findings line up with the Word of God. Your life, and level of peace, will never be the same!! The light bulb will come on, I promise you!!! 🙂

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Joseph Tribble July 25, 2016 at 2:07 pm

Daniel, I thank you, for your qords, but I cannot sit back, and accept that we’re punished for the sins of Adam, and Eve, when His Word!! says the father shall not pay for the sins of the father, neither does the father pay for the sins of the son! So, I find it very hard to have faith In someone, or something is perfect when he contradicts his own word around every corner!? but we’re suppose to take him at his word when he can’t keep all his facts in order! he can so call answer all questions, but that one it seems. if he feels like he deserves more respect I’m sorry for him, but if he didn’t want people to question him, he should have thought of that before letting his children sin and eat the fruit of knowledge which leads to the want of justice!! So, since he created us to be servants, and dogs that obey his every whim, or he throws us in hell. He has no respect from me. he is a bully, and a tyrant?

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Martin July 26, 2016 at 9:45 pm

Another classic. ….but I cannot sit back, and accept that…..
You cannot sit back! LOL. Sorry, remind me again who you think you are?

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Rob August 13, 2016 at 2:40 am

Joseph, you aren’t being punished for anyone’s sins. Jesus did not come into the world to condemn it, but to save it. So that no one should perish. I pray that God’s Holy Spirit would open your eyes to the truth so that you may be set free. There is one who comes to steal, kill and destroy through deception. His name is satan and he has been defeated over 2000 years ago. God said that his people perish for lack of knowledge. I pray that you receive the knowledge of Jesus Christ who was and always be God who became flesh to save mankind. He love you Joseph and wants you to receive the gift of salvation. Repent and be born again and you will forever have the joy of the Lord in your heart.

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Joseph Tribble July 25, 2016 at 1:39 pm

how could they have stayed away, or flee from satan, when they knew (only) to not eat the fruit. the only sin they knew was that eating the fruit was bad; therefore sin, but they did not know sin until they ate the fruit! So, again why didn’t he like a good father is suppose to be, or would have done, and step in between them, and satan to rebuke the (Evil), or (Sin), or (Satan). instead of watching his children which had no knowledge of the evil that was before them, and letting them do what he could have stopped!!!!!!!!! but again he didn’t he is just as guilty as Satan, for allowing Satan in the garden in the first place, and for not standing up for, his children, his creation, his love!? no one can seem to answer this question! on earth if a man is holding a gun on a person threatening he will shoot them while another man has a gun pointed at the first man this man has the power to stop this threatening man, but instead he allows the first man to shoot the hostage killing them, on earth the second man is known as an accomplice to that murder, and is just as guilty!!!! So every time Satan goes before God to ask if he can do something to us, and God says, yes, then he is partaker of evil deed as well as Satan!!!! humans we call that being guilty as an accomplice of that crime, all Christians call it when God does it is (Righteousness). It’s not (Righteous) when one of us do it, and it’s not (Righteous) when he does it!!!!!!

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Daniel July 25, 2016 at 9:11 pm

I have felt exactly like you do Joseph.. I felt that way for years. If you let yourself continue to think like this it’ll be a toxic poison that eats away at you slowly, year after year. It will rob you of all hope and any prospect of joy. You will keep looking for what you think to be a suitable answer to your questions, but you won’t find one. You’lll just get angrier and angrier instead.. There is an answer, though, and it is the only answer there is. But the only way we can ever accept this answer is when we realize that God is not our peer. He is not equal to us. He is not human. He owes us absolutely nothing.. He doesn’t answer to us. The answer comes when we get on our knees and say to Him: “You are God and I am not. And You are good even if I can’t see it.” I had to pray so hard and so long just to have the grace to say that prayer… And at the end of the day, what are you going to do? Become an atheist? Of course that is no answer at all and will bring you and those around you nothing but misery…. Will you stay angry, hateful, and demanding toward God, and then when you meet Him face to face tell Him how much He owes you?? Is this a battle you think you can win? Hell is something we choose my friend, and we choose it long before we leave this earth. I truly do wish you peace. Please ask Him for peace, not for answers, and He will give it to you.

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Josi July 25, 2016 at 9:20 pm

Daniel, those are truly beautifully spoken words! Amen

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Martin July 26, 2016 at 9:54 pm

Here you have stumbled into the great question of free will and trust. God is looking for trust. That is why Christians do not live in the lap of luxury. That is why God does not cater to our every desire. When we don’t get all we want from God when we want it, it tests our Trust in him.
We were set up for failure in the garden. On that I agree. We are no match for Satan. But then again, neither was 1/3 of Heaven. The test was, we will trust what God said, or trust what Satan said. We broke trust with God. And now God is looking for the uncommon man and woman that will trust in God even when circumstances show us a God that is NOT responsive to our desires. It takes real faith to believe in a God that does not cater to us. It also takes a person who can do what you have repeatedly failed to do: Recognize that God is the boss, and YOUR opinion doesn’t mean squat. Apart from that, stop playing at being a Christian. The simple fact is you are not if you don’t recognize God is in charge, so why waste time playing at it? Deify yourself and live your life. That is what you are doing anyway.

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Joseph Tribble July 23, 2016 at 7:09 pm

again he let the devil in the garden, that was his choice! to let Satan enter in, and have a chance to tempt them! any human father wouldn’t have let an enemy just walk right in, and try to tempt, and, or take his children from him. So why would a “perfect” God allow it to happen to his children!? Also they never would have known of evil, or that they could do evil. allowing them to bring suffering, and death upon themselves. that’s suppose to be a perfect God? highly doubt that!!! if we’re to follow that example then every piece of crap ” father figure” that allows their kids to get beaten, or beats them. we should just look the other way, and say, hey God did it, their allowed to do it too. also, if we are to go by the bible, then evil not always co exist with light; because it says the devil is the sum of all evil, and God places him in the lake of fire along with death. So, after that point evil will no longer have an effect. which again comes back to the point God has power over satan, but allows him to make people suffer, with murder, rape, torture, all for what his sick enjoyment! a “perfect” God that is not, a “merciful” God that is not, a “graceful” God that is not!! not now, not ever!

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Josi July 23, 2016 at 8:58 pm

@josephtribble…CeeceeVee explains in detail, way better then I can but I believe if u seek humility as Christ did when He encountered the cross on our behalf, u will begin to understand the attributes of God…He willingly sent His one and only son to rescue us….that’s what a loving Father does, he rescues his children…There is also a father of lies who seeks to steal kill and destroy, who poses as an angel of light….God put into our hands His creation and granted us free will over it, He did not create robots, He desires to have a relationship, intimately where we can exercise free will, a robot cannot return love but only respond as programmed, and what kinds of relationship’s would that be but an empty futile one…Our God warned us about evil and said that we would surely die if we chose it…but He loved us so much that even in our sin state, He was willing to save and had a plan which He set in motion from that very day in the garden….His word is trustworthy and He keeps His promises to all who will just believe!

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Daniel July 24, 2016 at 8:39 am

Joseph – I have felt the way you feel many times.. I get it. The problem is that we can’t compare God the Father, the creator of the universe, to an earthly father. The word Father is used in scripture to get us as close to an understanding of who He is as possible.. The other thing is that we wouldn’t truly have freedom of choice without the knowledge of good and evil (I have struggled with this part of scripture so much myself) because we truly can’t have freedom without the freedom to rebel… The only answer I have found that brings me peace is to trust Gods character – yeah, I know we don’t want to hear that, but look at all of what has been created – everything – the universe. It is perfect and it is all GOOD. A creation is always a reflection of the Creator.. I know in my own heart when I get past my own pride (my assumed right to answers) and anger, that I can just rest in Him and trust in His goodness. And the fact that He has the answers and will give me “the peace that passes all understanding.” Fighting against God will always get us nowhere, and it will always make us angrier. Peace to you.

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Martin July 26, 2016 at 10:03 pm

Joseph, God is the script writer, not you. If you have any genuine interest in God and Christianity, you don’t label Gods’ actions as wrong, but you endeavor to understand WHY God chose the actions he chose. Satan says, I will tempt them away from you, and God says, those that come to me will sit at my right hand and rule and reign. God and Satan are the central characters, and we are the monkey in the middle. If you don’t like that set up, feel free and speak your own universe into existence, and set it up how you like.

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Joseph Tribble July 20, 2016 at 5:17 pm

my comment is, why the hell does everybody say it was Adam and eve’s fault for all this! If God hadn’t let the perfect garden be infiltrated by Satan they wouldn’t have been tempted to eat the fruit! thus how can people say God is perfect! When he let him in! God! Created Satan the root of all evil, how can God who is suppose to be perfect!! create evil!! it’s all a bunch of hog wash!!!!!

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CeCeVee July 23, 2016 at 7:46 am

@JosephTribble- God didn’t create evil, He created free choice. All angels and humans, starting with Adam and Eve, have free choice. He loves us and wants us to choose Him but never mandates that. It is our choice. Good and evil are the yin and yang of the universe. You can’t have one without the other. We all choose one. Lucifer, God’s most beautiful angel, wanted to be The God of the garden so he chose his way over God’s, which is evil. And the struggle for power/rulership over our lives has been going on since. But Hallelujah, we have a choice!!

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TheTruth July 8, 2016 at 6:53 am

Well this topic really is the Truth which certainly speaks for itself.

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TARUN June 28, 2016 at 1:56 pm

Human nature is so complex..with abundance of feelings related to things happening with them or around them…and the out come wld be anxiety joy depression sadness loneliness insecurity courage confusion…or many more (endless)den how come your one unconvincing para gonna make big difference in any human life or to their sufferings… Or somebody is just posting this new idea or concept of not to expect at all mighty or Good things from our almighty….but just be content in all situations and take all the Shame with pride, sufferings or unheard prayers as God Will ….

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Isa June 25, 2016 at 9:19 am

Yeessss thank you!! I have never understood how people lose faith in God when disaster strikes, it is those times that God works in us the most! I think the reason this false theology is so prominent in the church these days is people simply don’t read their Bibles. The Bible is full of detailed instructions as to how to deal with trials and how God will use them for His glory! Right on sister, love this.
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kris June 27, 2016 at 8:09 am

maybe because when I pray that God doesn’t take away another family memeber and make me homeless at 25 and he does it anyway you can’t exactly say “hey, God, i trust you. You know what you’re doing.” Yeah freaking right!! It’s not that damn easy and I’m going though that right now. You just don’t get it. You sound like one of those rich Christians that only praise God because you have very little problems to deal with. Prick.

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Josi June 27, 2016 at 9:23 am

To Isa and Chris….yes, i can see both viewpoints here…I will speak from experience and then any reader reading this can form their own opinion…It’s true, the bible is full of instructions, Jesus warned us this life would not be easy and those who follow him will be hated and rejected. The problem I have is with Christians and the church…If we all acted out our faith in tandem with scripture, I believe more people would be better cared for and there would be less homelessness and despair. We are to bare one another’s burdens and in my experience with Christians, I’ve gotten many times over “i will pray for you” while preparing a trip to the Bahama’s…we have become so loves less…so in defense of Chris, I sympathize with your situation bc I’ve been there and still I struggle with what little resources I have…the church has abandoned me, my family does not want to be burdened and my fiance left me when i got sick with cancer…all claiming to be Christians…in defense of Isa, yes the bible is a blueprint and road-map to life…how sad it is though that we are so compassion-less that we will excuse our lifeless deed to mere words on our lips giving advice that we probably do not take ourselves…we need to repent and examine ourselves and put our faith and words to action…in “deed” and less empty chatter…Isa, have you ever fallen on hard times?….Chris, do you believe that God is sovereign and in control over all? If you do Chris then believe He is big enough and strong enough to bring you thru it and do not put your trust or faith in men…and Isa, put your love to action…if you are the kinda chrisitan who chants words and does not back it up with love and say’s “I’ll pray for you”, unless you have struggled, I would just keep my mouth shut! Said in love and truth, as the bible teaches….Josi

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TARUN June 28, 2016 at 2:05 pm

True….frnd ! Its easy to preach or teach as most of them(preachers) picked that as their secure money mking profession…. But frnd sorry to say but u should be glad for urself ..u know the truth …nothing happens by itself…does nt matter if you are believer or nonbeliever … Just believe in ur self en one true God…use his gifts in ur life as tool to craft and shape your life …you must be having unique skills or ideas that makes you or define what you are …be yourself dont expect rainbows en sunshines…with luv tarun

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Brittany July 15, 2016 at 9:28 am

Amen!

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nadine July 15, 2016 at 6:04 pm

Your unbelief and bitterness is what’s stopping his blessings. He isn’t going to give a ungrateful brat anything. You are way too young to even get it. Life is still all about you. Start doing some things for people that have even less than you and do it because you care for what they are going through. That is the kind of life that he blesses, not someone who complains when they probably had a meal today.

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gary June 22, 2016 at 10:47 pm

Are our pastors telling us the truth?

Are Christian pastors honest with their congregations regarding the evidence for the Resurrection? Is there really a “mountain of evidence” for the Resurrection as our pastors claim or is the belief in the Resurrection based on nothing more than assumptions, second century hearsay, superstitions, and giant leaps of faith?

You MUST read this Christian pastor’s defense of the Resurrection and a review by one of his former parishioners, a man who lost his faith and is now a nonbeliever primarily due to the lack of good evidence for the Resurrection:

—A Review of LCMS Pastor John Bombaro’s Defense of the Resurrection—

(copy and paste this article title into your browser to find and read this fascinating review of the evidence for the Resurrection)

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Martin July 26, 2016 at 10:11 pm

Gary, Apologetics is the endeavor to explain God logically. It is a fools errand. If God WANTED his existence to be explained logically, he would have made it so. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Logical arguments mean nothing. If your faith or doubt is based on Logic, then, you are wasting your time. Don’t be a Christian. If, however, the word of God makes sense to you , and hounds you, and pulls you in, God is inviting you to follow Christ. If you want a logical argument, forget it. Don’t waste your time. Logic will NEVER make you a Christian. Only Faith in God and his word can do that.

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Rev Jonathan Mead June 21, 2016 at 7:44 pm

I just want to share that God does love you and does have a plan for your life.
God loves us so much, that He sent His only Son to die for us. John 3:16
Read Jeremiah 29:11. Be blessed and love God, because HE first loved us.

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Martin July 26, 2016 at 10:17 pm

Sorry Rev J. Gotta disagree with you. God does not have a purpose for your life. God has things that need doing. And God chooses to reveal a thing that needs doing to an individual. It is then up to the individual to pick up that thing and do it or not. Barring that, there is no free will. Occasionally, like with Paul, God hits you with a two by four to get your attention. But even then, free will is still in play.

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Here June 21, 2016 at 12:21 am

The bible states that the person who understands and does not do is in sin. This is where I am at in life right now regarding your article. I need prayer.

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Martin July 30, 2016 at 1:04 am

Here, while I won’t say you DON’T need prayer, what you need more is understanding. ??? To put it SIMPLY, we are ALWAYS sinning. Sin is not doing bad. Sin is short-falling Gods’ glory. We live in constant sin. What we NEED is protection from punishment for our sin. This is what Jesus provides. In the Garden, Ignorance, not knowing good from evil, was our protection. How to get Jesus’ protection for yourself?? If you forgive those who sin against you, God is just and right to forgive your sins.
The General difference between a good man and a bad man is, the bad man may sin more. The good man still sins. This is an important distinction. When God LOOKS at the good and bad man, in both cases he sees a sinner. When God looks at a man in Christ, he sees the perfection and sinlessness of Christ. Forgiving others will put you in Christ.

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Yolanda June 19, 2016 at 8:49 pm

Most Christians don’t think this way. There are plenty of Scripture to back this up. If a person is a true believer of Christ, then they will know that suffering is part of the plan. Jesus came and died to took care of the eternal powers of evil, He did not take away the current situation of man. Yet what He did was give man a way to walk through the current situation of this life. So yes, Jesus did come to give us a wonderful life but that life includes suffering from time to time. We are not suffering as much as we could be. If not for the grace and mercy of God, we would all be jacked up!!!!

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TARUN June 28, 2016 at 2:17 pm

How you gonna grade middle east innocent christians suffering en deaths (esp in libiya..syriya..egypt..Iraq) what kind of plan is it to behead 3 year baby gal !!! Amputate chritian people before killing them ..torturing them till they die…its beyond human imaginations !!…..hope u know whats goin arnd the world with christians in most disturb parts of the world ….

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Stephanie June 12, 2016 at 4:38 pm

I love this. Following Jesus is not for the faint of heart. He is not a magic genie granting wishes and our faith should not be based on what He can do for us, but what we can do for Him.

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kris June 27, 2016 at 8:11 am

f u. I have no faith right now. read my comment above.

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Martin July 26, 2016 at 10:21 pm

@ Stepahie You tell it girl. LOL. I know and agree with that…. and still. Can’t he throw a fella a bone once and a while. LOL Yeah, yeah. Just suck it up and keep marching.

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Jp June 8, 2016 at 6:01 pm

This is an incredible insight to the problems that people brought up in the prosperity churches have, and is a refreshingly real look on what Christianity isn’t. I wish the author would have continued and explained the good parts of being faithful, but I guess that just wasn’t her goal. Great read, wish there was more ??

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Chloe Jeffreys June 20, 2016 at 8:09 pm

I’m sorry. I always meant to return. I have a lot going on in my personal life and not much time for writing. I’m just beginning to plumb the depths of what faith really meants. All I know is that it doesn’t mean that Jesus has some “wonderful” plan that involves financial success or personal safety. Thanks for visiting and reading. I appreciate it.

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Brandon million June 6, 2016 at 7:32 am

Im no saint but God is treating me like a dog….. when i was 12 -19 i took wood to my grandparents, a pastor and his wife. Every winter they requierd wood to heat the house…. a lot of wood. Loads and loads for the cold months. We live in MI and our winters can be major. Anywho i now have back problems from working the way i did for christains when i was younger, i am 25 now…. why would God punish me for my good works? I was cold, hungry, tired and unblessed…..i just assumed that God would “pay me back” when the time was right…. i got payed back alrighty, God has closed every good job opportunity i have ever had. I took machinist classes at a local college to try to get a little edu. So perhaps i would be more employable…. however even after a good recommendation from my teacher and great interview im passed up for job….. why would God hurt me after my years of service ??? How is it that the people I know who have nothing to do with God and couldnt give a shit less are blessed while im cursed??? Why would God allow me to damage my own body in his service????? Its like he wants me to just say fuck it and do my own thing……

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Josi June 6, 2016 at 8:19 am

you’ve been taught the Jesus of the world, not the Jesus of the Bible…take a close look at the lives of Jesus and his disciples and many saints who risks their lives and gave it all for Him…Jesus said by his own words, those who are truly mine will be persecuted in this life…Those saints knew their great reward was the blood shed for our souls…they cared nothing about worldly riches…so whenever a preacher tries to convince you of blessings if you do this or that…Run!! they are wolves….service and works do not save a person…don’t believe otherwise to those who try to convince you that tithing will bring blessings…they are thieves, liars, and deceivers..and they are snuck into the churches posing as children of light….you need the true word the pure milk not some garbage gospel…read the scriptures for yourself…and do not believe for one minute that these deceivers will not have to face a holy and righteous God…It is a frightful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!!

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LD June 8, 2016 at 7:05 am

Bang On! There is just one thing certain in life, You are either lucky or unlucky and this has nothing to do with karma or a good heart… Took me 36 years to relialise this… but old habits die hard, I know tomorrow once again, when Jesus is making another “WONDERFUL” disastrous plan for me, I will again turn to “God” for help. Reading the PSALMS, gave me hope to live for but I’ve realized that the chapter PSALMS in the Bible only talks about good things happening to good people “in the future”… so when will something really happen… no one knows… but hats off to people to have a consistent faith in God irrespective of losing everything

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josi June 8, 2016 at 8:44 am

It’s not about what we “get”…it is about what’s already been “given” that false teachers aren’t teaching bc they love thier riches and glory here…but we are to look to our real home, our true citizenship which is a home Christ has prepared for us…Jesus say’s to store up our treasures in heaven…which prosperity preacher has taught that? None? So then the fordrawn conclusion is…they are preaching a false Jesus and these false Christ are everywhere…Satan will use any device known to trip you up including the things of this world…but we are not in the world, we are in Christ…It took me decades to erase the false teachings and the so called American Dream lie that Satan uses to tempt us to go against Christ and love the world…but Christ IS our great reward…his peace, comfort, provision and protection and many other things are his gifts to us with the most valuable of all being our redemption, our sweet salvation…It’s not about lucky or unlucky, it’s about faith, not towards what’s seen but what is unseen….nothing in this world will compare to what is to come for those who love the real Jesus of the bible and not the worldly one mixed with lies…Satan’s greatest weapon is to mix truth with lies…this is how he wraps it…which gift will you receive? the lies of this world or the free gift of salvation already completed for all…it is a free gift that, if authentic, will cost you everything in this life, if it is in fact, the real Jesus Christ…just look at the lives of the apostles and many saints that have come b/f us…did they have private jets and mansions? did they live large? did they sell the precious gospel for a price? they gave freely, their whole lives/self without asking anything in return….look around you today, are there any teachers like that???

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TARUN June 28, 2016 at 2:23 pm

Stop what you not want to be ….dont expect kindness greatnes or compassion falling on you because of any reasons ..true god grace is on Every one …find your strength ..you are real master of your life dont complain just keep on moving en do it for yourself the best you can ever do …take care

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Allie June 3, 2016 at 9:06 am

I love this. So much. Nailed it!

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Barbara May 24, 2016 at 12:35 am

This article has touched me, but my life is just so unfortunate. I’m lost, and have no idea which direction I should turn… If there’s even a purpose for my life. My parents were married for just about 15 years, then divorced as right after I graduated. I had plans to attend a 4 year university like all the rest of my friends, but nooo I’m now a loser and feel like a failure who’s totally stuck. I’m now 20, soon 21 and still living with my divorced mother in our large home. I’m attending a community college, I’m an honors student/in honors programs but I have no idea what I really want to do in life and study 🙁 It’s just been a very stressful/depressing time for me. Plus this amazing church Ive been attending for several months is not too far from here… But heck, I’m just not getting God’s answer and ready to move/be on my own. So I’m just going to take a leap myself, and apply to a university nearly an hour away. :/ I’m tired, don’t know what else to do, and I certainly don’t want to be at home with mom any longer. It’s embarrassing especially compared to other friends and family members; all of these matters often brings me to tears and stresses me out like crazy. Not to mention, I can’t afford college (missed Finamcial aid/major scholarship deadline) nor can either of my divorced parents. Not even sure if they uni will accept me either since I didn’t take a load of courses (but still ‘enough’ to transfer)… Unfortunately, it just feels like no way out.. Perplexed, young adult who feels like they’re in last place. While all other friends/family are on the way, and will soon/or have already graduated college 🙁 Oh boy. I really love God, but this storm has gone on far too long & it’s been incredibly hard for me. Pray me please.

Thanks for reading this excessive rant, but it’s already been a great source of relief…

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Josi June 3, 2016 at 8:49 am

Barbara…I say this in all love and truth…I am a fifty yr old women who was once where you are now…The first thing i would advise you to do is block out the world around you and get into His word…this holy book is a guidebook to living. It is God breathed and inspired. Pray His will on your life and the crucial decisions you will make moving forward. Focus less on those around you who think like the world does…For God say’s my ways are higher then your way’s and my thoughts higher then your thoughts…The American dream is a lie and will get you into more trouble then you’d like, trust me…This whole mind-set that we need to look, act and desire the things of the world. God say’s be ye set apart, be transformed by the renewing of your mind…focus on renewing your mind and trust God will guide you into His will. Next, consider a job in the Peace Corp or RedCross so you can experience and see for yourselves those who are victims/persecuted/poor and the objects of prejudice…You will see and learn first hand what it is to have your freedom, be able to read your bible without persecution and to have clean water/food/housing…There are so many suffering. I think it will redirect your thinking about outward appearances that you seem to think are important bc your neighbors and friends see this as important…but God looks at the inward parts of a man, not the outward as the world does. Stay away from worldly things and idols…like drugs alcohol sex and credit cards…save your money as much as possible, cling to God and his word and run from the things of this world…it will prove advantageous…and wear the word as like a garment around your neck and let it be written on your heart and you will live long on the earth…good luck! and my the holy God of Israel shine His countenance upon you…Get a copy of VOM and commit to one year in the peace corp…may God pour out blessings upon you…Josi

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Martin June 12, 2016 at 4:51 pm

Wow Barbara. What a baby. My parents got divorced and I now feel embarrassed. So the whole of your life depended not on God, but on the fact that your parents were married. ??? Man up, or curl up in your closet and die. There is MUCH worse in store for you as life goes on. You will get older and weaker, possibly sick, your parents will get sick and die, evil people will do things to you. And you are whining about what you are facing now? Oh brother.

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Chloe Jeffreys June 21, 2016 at 5:55 am

1If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

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Yolanda June 19, 2016 at 9:02 pm

Read the book of Heb chp 12. Your focus is on yourself. Look unto Jesus whi is the Author and Finisher of your faith. Dont buy into the lie you have to be successful. Your existence is what makes you successful. God has made you for Himself, although it is difficult for you to see that right now. Pray and ask God to give you a deeper revelation of His love for you. He said if we ask anything according to His will, He will do it. It is His will that you know how deeply He loves and cares for you. Get out of your head and allow Him to love you through this hurt……He wants to because that’s what He does best. He may not change your situation but He can change you……

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Justme May 8, 2016 at 6:14 pm

Is the writer of this professing godliness
and christianity?
Because I read another article too that uses the F word and the s word is used in this article and that does not glorify God.

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MrsA June 3, 2016 at 7:51 am

Don’t judge them they are upset only god should judge you should incourage CHRISTIAN!

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kris June 27, 2016 at 8:14 am

How do you know what glorifies God? being a straight white man?? Nobody can cuss?? puh lease. lol. I think he made a poignant remark about how friends can truly be shitty to you when you need them. Makes sense if you are a non judgemental person who needs to hear this.

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Richard April 22, 2016 at 7:21 am

The Book of Job was a cut and paste. It was written by 2 or 3 different people. And it depicts the Almighty as a mercurial sadist. It cannot be divinely inspired. And the there passages in the Psalms that guarantee good fortune to the faithful. Does the God of the Bible break his word?

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calvin March 30, 2016 at 8:41 am

Its hard to swallow but a loving god is in the torture business.

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Matin June 13, 2016 at 4:08 pm

calvin, this is not heaven. Very far from it. It is a known fact that God will test us. ANYONE can SAY that they love the Lord. They PROVE it by sticking by God through thick and thin. The people that fall out when the going gets rough, well, they prove their lack of worth to God. If you want a candy for your efforts every time, look elsewhere. Otherwise, be of good courage and follow God.

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Chloe Jeffreys June 21, 2016 at 5:52 am

So what say you then of Jonah and Elijah? Were they worthless to God when they couldn’t take “God’s wonderful plan for their lives” anymore? Did God wash His hands of them?

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Martin July 30, 2016 at 1:25 am

They were human. Humans fail. And the question is not what will God do, but what WE should do. You shifted gears there.
But since you ask, and for the record, God has promised to never leave us or forsake us. Anytime, anywhere, under any circumstance, if YOU turn to God, he will turn to you. There is a caveat: No man comes to the Father save the Spirit draws him. No person will ever have a desire to turn to God unless God has put his spirit in him. Also, for the record, a person can grieve the spirit. A person can literally drive the spirit out of his person by continually disregarding its’ leading. And one last way to break with God is by trickery, or a deceitful belief. If one believes that he/she has sinned so grievously that God CANNOT forgive him, that can be a break. This is a terrible and sad circumstance, as Jesus did not die for the sins of ANY individual, but died for ALL SIN. It is literally impossible to disqualify yourself from salvation with ONE SIN. All sin is already covered. Which brings us back to no man comes to the father save the spirit draws him. If you have a desire to turn to God, YOU CAN, because Gods’ spirit is still in you.

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Daniel July 30, 2016 at 9:19 am

AGREED.

Joe Siczpak February 14, 2016 at 12:18 am

Everyone stop your annoying sniveling, bitching, moaning and complaining. You want to some simple answers about god?
Go to http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=173

and listen to sermons by Art Katz, a former orthodox Jewish rabbi, who became a Messianic Jew (one who came to knowledge of the Christ).

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Emma February 4, 2016 at 2:21 pm

Life sucks and TBH I don’t think I believe in God anymore. My dad used to have a really well payed job and he gave it up to become a preacher. He doesn’t get payed much and I’m in a school because of a 100% scholarship. I can never go to lunch with my friends or have nice clothes or coffees and hot chocolate and I get so annoyed thinking that my dad threw us all in the deep end of suffering so he can serve a God that probably doesn’t even exist. I want to tell them, but I can’t, and I think that if God was actually real then he would talk to me. And I’m not talking about those obscure hLf talking to you things when you could have easily made it up in your own mind. I am also not talking about coincidences. I’m talking about actually making it clear to me that he exists. If he really cared, he would let me know that he was actually there And wouldn’t let me go through the amount of suffering I am going through. I have a crap life and me and my family make bigger sacrifices than anyone else and it’s not fair. I need someone to help, and no, saying ‘have faith’ does not help. Because that does not prove that the thing I am having faith in actually exists. Just someone help.

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Claire February 5, 2016 at 6:44 am

Hi Emma,
I’m sorry for your loss. We daughters want to be first in our father’s hearts, and being shoved aside for devotion to an intangible deity stinks. I think there is a bright side to this though. You are young, you don’t yet see all the freaky things life is going to throw at you. I’m 60, 61 is coming fast! I lost my dad right before Christmas last year. He was a pain-in-the-butt, complaining, bully at times, mean to my mother, controlling and critical. He called it as he saw it and I loved him fiercely. What you have in your dad is a boy who grew up, fathered you, but is still trying to grow up. He’s not just your father. He belongs to himself first, and you need to give him the freedom to work that out. It’s tremendous to have a father who actually has beliefs strong enough to act on them. Somewhere, he has planted this in you. Eventually, you will realize this about yourself and recognize also the gift he has given you – to watch him live out his life being true to himself.
In the meanwhile, the loss of money in your life has real affects, doesn’t it? I feel you. Friends who have money to spend freely don’t incite you paves bcuz

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Claire February 5, 2016 at 6:51 am

…bcuz they know you can’t afford it. It’s not fair, I know. Been there. But some of these people will persist in your life! These are the times when you will find life-long treasures, people who will stick with you no matter what. Look for them, try not to push people away bcuz you think they are judging you or bcuz you are “sure” they don’t really care. Sometimes, they do.
And try to give back to your dad while you have a chance. I am sooooo very grateful that I “finally” woke up to my dad before he left the planet, forgave him for being a human being, and could express love and appreciation for all that he got “right”. You can do it!
Much love, Claire

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Claire February 5, 2016 at 6:53 am

..invite you places.. (oops, sorry about that!)

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Joe Siczpak February 14, 2016 at 12:13 am

Grow up. Get over yourself. We did.

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ss March 4, 2016 at 10:27 am

Dear Emma,

I can feel your pain, and I do not think it is fair when your father made such decision without thinking his responsibility to his children. I had similar pain, even though it is quite different. At the time I almost divorced my husband due to he moved the family money to some secret account, and also due to our long-term bad relationship, he lost his job and he almost went crazy. As a Christian, I chose to stay and help him. He became a Christian too after that, but he does not change the fundamental part of himself. That always make me doubt that if I am idiot to take the jerk back to screw my whole life. Even worse, I sometimes doubt if this God really exist, since I really think he need to show up and fix these things, but he does not fix it, as if he does not exist. Why I have to act as a hero, if the real hero does not show up? My rich friends also did the same thing as your friends did, leave me, since I no longer have the same life level as they do.

Dear Emma, there are always something unfair or something challenging to us along our life path. Do you know there are a lot of people who are born to be disabled? It is really up to our heart to chose how we live. Let me challenge you, could you live in such level without too much money? Let me challenge you again, can you find your new good friends circle, and can you build up your new life and your new future, through the accepting this new poor condition, through your daily life effort? If you chose not, your spirit stay. If you chose to challenge yourself and put daily effort, God will match his blessing to you, and your spirit will grow. Nobody can run away from his/her challenge, and this time yours is the life style changed from rich to poor. To someone else, it might be severe sickness, or lose her child…..Which one is easy? No life along the life long path is easy, but we chose to live a great life with continue growing spirit, because we have Jesus Christ walking with us. Everything comes from heart, not just comes from your parents’ pocket.

Without money, we cannot live, but without heart and spirit, we dare not to challenge our life to make it better. Do you have hands? Do you know you can make your fortune? Once you put that daily effort, God will bless you, not for your father’s sake, but to bless your growth.

May God bless your father, and may God enhance your spirit. May God bless your whole family.

With love,

SS

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Mike April 16, 2016 at 1:52 am

Hi Emma hang in there kid life is hard at times I won’t go into my life’s troubles but they have been severe! life is a test and hard one for some of us! Money is nice but I’d throw it all away for love and happiness gods for real and I assure you he cares ever tried being nailed to a cross??to save our souls must have been hard he will give you the answers you seek hey try asking your dad I’m sure he can help seems he may be on the right path already all I can say is he was moved by a grater force or why would he choose to suffer?? God bless you Emma you’ll be ok

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Matin June 13, 2016 at 4:17 pm

I can’t believe all the people that have sympathy for your suffering. Let’s review: 1 No lunches. 2 No new clothes. 3 No overpriced coffees or hot chocolate. O M G. The suffering! You got a 100% scholarship. You don’t call that a blessing? Don’t you know that your abilities are given by God? I could just go on and on on this one, but why bother. No nice clothes. OH, THE SUFFERING. (sic)

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Byron January 24, 2016 at 9:54 am

God says he loves us beyond anything we can imagine, if so why would he put the most evil this in existence on the same planet as us. Seems to me that he cares more for his buddy Satan than the human race. And we can’t forget what Christ said just before he left this planet, oh by the way don’t forget about the poor, because you will always have them. Something he is to lazy to deal with.

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Martin January 26, 2016 at 10:09 pm

Generally speaking, we live in a cesspool. You may say, the world is bad, but not a cesspool. I beg to differ. This world is BAD. Especially compared to Heaven. 1/3 of Heaven left God to follow the Morning Star. And God is looking to replace them. He will get them, to the amazement of all Heavenly onlookers from this cesspool called Earth. What a slap in the face to Satan and those who followed him. To get replacements for THEM out of this cesspool. What God is looking for from us is, those who are willing to crawl out of the cesspool and seek after him.

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Nii January 27, 2016 at 5:13 am

Martin
Thats the most accurate analogy I ever read!

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Robin January 18, 2016 at 9:09 pm

I don’t go to the church and yet God in His Mercy found me. When i call myself a Christian, people will ask, “Were you Baptist?”and questions like” which church do you go to?”.

Prior to finding Jesus Christ as my Savior, I was a Buddhist. It happened that I joined an organization founded by the Adventist and although they professed to be a Christ driven organization, in fighting were so common that you wonder to yourself about the nature of Christians. Really seemed that they enjoy politics, backstabbing and bickering. Leaders came like conquerors and left like rats. I was a business manager then and the department that I headed was going through some rough patches and instead of helping, my “colleagues” would come and create more havoc.

Nothing in my life prepared me well for the challenges I faced then. The onslaught of the 2008 market crisis, dwindling sales, increasing deficits and a loss making business arm being added into my portfolio. I was lost. I read every self help book I could get my hands on and nothing helped. Until finally, the Bible fell into my hand. In a nutshell, everything was history.

I am converted into Christianity by His Word, and His Grace strengthens my faith. Not through any of my good works, but through Jesus Christ’s finished work at the cross. Amen.

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Martin July 30, 2016 at 1:47 am

LOL. Robin, Christians aren’t dysfunctional because they are Christians, they are dysfunctional because they are people. Read about the 7 churches in Revelation. Notice all of the Churches had their issues. One was nearly dead, yet God did not remove its’ candle. (the symbol of Gods’ Spirit on the Church) There are many things to glean from that section of scripture. The one I’ll point out is, things are not perfect, and frankly, according to what God says about the Churches, should not be expected to be perfect. There will be imperfections and problems, and sometimes you just have to slog your way through. We are at spiritual war. And the forces that oppose the church of Jesus will attack at the churches. So craziness at a Church SHOULD generally be expected. Keep you guard up.

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E. Blalock January 17, 2016 at 9:50 am

I’d like to reblog this post on my blog. Something truly, truly awful happened to me last year, and my “Christian” in-laws blamed me. Granted, they’d been half-punishing me for marrying my husband anyway, but that’s beside the point.

I was considering a blog post on this very thing – that when we see disaster or injustice, we target our anger on the victim because we believe we can control the victim where we cannot control the weather, villains, illness, etc.

Anyway, I’d love to reblog this. E. Blalock (pseudonym) at The Laundry Years on wordpress. I’m also eblalock99 on twitter.

Please let me know if you object. I’ll wait a few days.

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Chloe Jeffreys January 26, 2016 at 8:39 pm

Yeah, pretty much you can’t just take this and put it on your blog. You are free to write about the topic, link to waht I wrote, but please do not copy and paste this to your own blog.

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Mark January 13, 2016 at 6:17 pm

Love your blog, like so many comments on here, I, too thought I was alone in the never, never land called the American church. One thing I realized, it’s not God’s fault. You are correct, Jesus never said he has a wonderful plan for your life. The seeker friendly church movement has infected most of the American spirit filled churches with stardust and promises where dreams come true just by clicking your heels 3 times and saying there’s no place like home. OK, a little over the top but you get my point. When people argue the point that God has a wonderful plan for your life, I say no, he doesn’t. They look stunned at first then I see them reaching into their playbook for a response. Before that happens I ask them a question. I ask them if God has a wonderful plan for your life he must have hated the early church. They were crucified, boiled in oil, beheaded, whipped, beaten and fed to the lions, just to name a few things that happened to them. Then I ask, where was God’s wonderful plan for their life? Surprise, no reply.
I believe God has one purpose for the Christian, to conform them into the image of his son by whatever means possible. That’s his wonderful plan for your life. If you get blessed on top of that, thanks be to God

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Chloe Jeffreys January 26, 2016 at 8:40 pm

Right on, Mark. Continue on. All we can do is the best we can do.

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Sam February 16, 2016 at 11:35 pm

I totally agree with you Mark..you are so right .Thank you for your input in an already very uplifting blog.Believing in Jesus is not an easy task especially when disasters strike or when tragedy occurs To young Emma I want to say do not be mad at your father..you’ll understand later in life why he made the decision to commit his life to Jesus..I lost my beloved father,and two babies ..my sister-in-law got murdered by a drug addict .my apartment got broken into and I lost everything but my faith kept me going..Jesus suffers with you when you go through any type of hardship..Your Dad loves you but he has to do this for himself,you will go through so many changes as you grow older and maybe you’ll make decisions that will disappoint others around you .
I suggest you talk with your father about how this makes you suffer and he’ll find the right answers..I’m certainAs for material possessions,they don’t really matter..if you were starving and without a roof over your head maybe.
Good luck Emma and please don’t be too harsh on your Dad…I wish I could hug mine right at this moment

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Martin July 30, 2016 at 2:05 am

Mark, yep, people want hope. Christ offers hope for the next life, but alludes to trouble and conflict down here. But, people being people, they want hope in THIS life also. So pastors and preachers fall prey to giving people what they want. Pie in the sky, and donuts down here. And then when we get thistles instead of glazed jelly, we get offended. We WANT our glazed jelly and we want it NOW.
Mmmmm. Glazed Jelly……..

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Claire January 7, 2016 at 7:30 am

Nathan….
Jesus is the trump card in all of this. Yes, I’ve had those thoughts. And they lead to more trouble than you want. But define Jesus properly and it gets a *little* easier. God did not send His son to die a ridiculously cruel death. God came Himself. Jesus IS God, in the flesh. In that form, Jesus placed Himself under God as an example to us. He became a man to show us how to live in the kingdom that the “Father” is pleased to give us.
So, think about that for a minute. Why aren’t we living in the power of Jesus? Wouldn’t that make a huge difference, provide an acceptable balance to the things we don’t understand or find hard to accept (evil in the world)? This is MY big question: where is the power of God in our lives?

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Nii January 7, 2016 at 9:21 am

What do we want in life? Love? Happiness? Wealth? Health? Big houses? Well I think a lot of Christians are either taught that following God will make them poor or rich. God’s blessings in our lives are spiritual rather than material. Our work here is to believe that God loves us as Himself with all His Life no matter what! Once this is done we are have faith and the Holy Spirit dwells in us. Then it does not matter whether Lady Luck smiles on us or not. This is the Truth Jesus lived, died and rose again to bring to us! To be an embodiment of this Good News was automatically a death sentence in an imperfect world. However He proved by the resurrection that death cannot hold those who heed the Gospel. The Lord is sure to understand the tantrums being thrown here. Are they proof that we love God? Yes! Just like the Pharisees did! Are they proof that we believe God loves us? Unfortunately no! Working out Christ’s sacrificial life, death and resurrection is not difficult. Problem is who will do it!

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Nathan Householder January 7, 2016 at 12:30 am

You know, this has helped me. I thought that I was so alone; I got saved 10 years ago, and God cleaned me up, gave me a ministry and sent me out to preach the gospel. I felt led to go to the missions field, asked for prayer and saw various signs of what looked like confirmation in which other solid believers could recognize as well. I got mixed up with a Christian organization that was damaging in doctrine and practice, but is so elusive that they are 60 thousand strong and have tentacles into even the National Prayer Breakfast, conservative politics, etc. I lost so much through this experience, pushing through to serve and love while battling hostility and rejection from a family that was prospering more every day, sickness, and a subtle vice that I struggled with years before. I came back to the States, and could see the prosperity gospel for what it was. So many churchgoers, so little fellowship. Anyone who wants to grow closer to God is almost expected to do a great deal of it on ther own, at least outside of Wednesday night prayer groups and a hour Sunday morning. I became angry, slowly but surely. I have been shamed and realized that the Christian way is a surefire bet to become a failure in this world, unless you seem to just have a really special place with God, which is totally fair, btw (sarcasm intended).It turns men into effeminate betas, teaches people how to be unconsciously arrogant, and gives no true hope of a good life in this world. Sometimes, I almost wish that I was born retarded, because it would be a lot easier to obey God. Our intellect is a chief cornerstone to our disobedience, almost like a cruel joke to anyone with an IQ over 25. Many verses remind me of this, from the fact that God tells us not to rely on our own understanding (in a culture that thrives on the attainment of higher education as a stepping stone to any real life,) to the fact that God punishes kids for the sin of their fathers, and we are just supposed to be cool with that. There is the fact that some of God’s people got their balls cut off, were forced to be slaves and some died in obscurity with no record of their deeds. There is no hope outside of a supposedly great Kingdom that has no sex, little evidence of its existence, and a bunch of smiley, happy clappy terrible music loving Steve Urkel wierdos all gathered around the throne of a God who willfully planned for His own kid to get murdered just to get His self righteous rocks off so He could talk to us like a normal person without constantly wanting to kill us for our differences like some nazi ss officer sitting at a Jewish man’s dinner table. I backslid, learned the game of life and won for a time, but whatever God did to me will never go away. I got my fantasies fulfilled, at the cost of a close relationship with a God who only makes sense when i am literally under the complete control of His Spirit. I am ruined to this world, by a God who truly loves me, although I do not know if I really desire love or relationship, from the way that the promises of God seem to promise so little. I stick out like a sore thumb, and people know it. A fig tree doesn’t produce thorns, even when all it wants to do is stick people. So, i guess i gotta come on home and hear it from all the self righteous big brothers in the field. Boy, I am a genuine American, selfish and rebellious as they come. I truly regret ever being a thought in the heart of God, and if there were no hell i would be on the first train to nowhere. But alas, i dont wanna fry, so….funny how he loves to take your desires, give them to u, then stab them so u can beg him not to let them bleed out…i guess that is called walking by faith…nice guy for life, i guess, better get in line for the eunich party with all the other wannabe humans. You know, there is an old Chinese interrogation method in which the prisoner is stripped down to nothing, absolutely nothing. Then, they slowly give him back things that would bring him basic comfort as a human being, telling him that it all came from China. He is slowly taught by them that he wouldn’t be in this trouble if his home country cared for him, they left him out to dry and now look…look at how the good Chinese take care of him! He defects and develops some sort of Stockholm Syndrome from his time in isolation. Sometimes, i feel like that is how it feels to have God get your attention through suffering, then save you for Himself. I digress…

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Daniel January 7, 2016 at 6:14 am

Nathan – I share many of your feelings and have a similar background to yours… There are many times that I wish I could become an atheist, but to no avail, because I just don’t have enough faith for that.. Instead, I struggle regularly with thoughts of God seeing me as His enemy, and me being nothing but a pawn to Him.. I also share the thoughts of Him being self righteous and narcissistic. I don’t want to feel these things. I want to feel the way I did toward God in the beginning, but it’s seems like there has been too much water under the bridge since then.

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Joe Siczpak February 14, 2016 at 12:29 am

I played four years with the biggest selling Christian rock group of all time. So, who cares? I have not been to church in 30 years because I have no interest in the silly jargon, stupid stand-up-sit-down rituals, fake displays of “brotherly love”, pom-pom waving, and endless demands for money so the preacher can have a new luxury land barge every year.

I detest this Americanized “propserity” BULLSH|T “Christianity”. The gullible fools which subscribe to that poison are merely serving the worldly values of selfish pride.

I much prefer to talk one-on-one about Christian topics. To me, that’s real fellowship.

Oh yeah… I think this Olsteen is a smug con artist assh0le, no better than that greedy c0cksucker, Poppoff, and his greedy wife is a self-serving cvnt.

savierbreth@gmail.com

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Annie December 25, 2015 at 9:24 pm

I rarely share articles on Facebook and I was about to share this one because I think a lot of people need to hear it, but I think on the other hand people could retort with Jesus’ words, “I have plans for you not to fail but to prosper.” Maybe add that God does take care of us and provide for us but that may mean different things for each of us–and it’s important for us to remember that His ways are not our ways.

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MeMe December 27, 2015 at 6:06 pm

Except Jesus didn’t say that, it is attributed to “the Lord,” and it was never said or meant for people as an individual, but rather a collective people and their collective future. This was said to a group of people forced to spend 70 years in exile; they suffered. A lot of people died during those 70 years, never living to see the fulfillment of this promise, knowing only suffering.

Christians wrongly turn to this verse. It has nothing to do with us today, and it had nothing to do with individual people and individual lives.

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Fae December 24, 2015 at 10:02 pm

I’ve been an atheist most of my life and it was not personal tragedy that spawned it, rather it was just a lot of doubt and an inability to believe. However, this theology that many believe has always irked me and I’m glad to hear a Christian finally admit that it’s complete nonsense. I can’t prove or disprove the existence of God, but I just outright refuse to believe than any loving God could reward some just for the worship, while letting innocents suffer immensely ( like children born into extreme poverty who don’t even know who Jesus is). It always seemed like severely flawed logic to me. It makes me feel that if this God does really exist and behaves this way, he would not be one I’d want to worship anyway, because the insane imbalance and injustice would seem like the act of a vain and sadistic God.

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Robert December 23, 2015 at 7:13 pm

I can relate to Job. I lost my father at age 11, got in trouble with drugs in my teens, lost my daughter over 30 years ago, found out I had Hep-C, had my first liver transplant in 2000, along with kidney failure, heart attack, lung problems, CPM disorder, CMV virus, and learning to walk again. In 2005 a second TP, and an infection in most organs. Then I lost my son in 2005. This is short list of my suffering. I never turned from God and have strong faith. There are three things that are true in life: every thing changes and ends, people will be disloyal, and suffering will come to all of us. Christ promised us eternal life, no more fears, no more tears, and peace. He did not promise these thing here on earth. Look at the Apostles’, most if not all died violently, accept John.

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el vol December 23, 2015 at 6:12 pm

God allows things that are ‘seemingly bad’ to come into our lives, because he’s wanting us to turn to him, not to fall into disbelief. Satan ruined the original beautiful creation. When God created humans, everything was perfect, there was no death, no sin, no illness, no sickness. Satan (an original angel), thought he was better than God and God threw him out of Heaven. He caused the snake in the Garden to tempt Eve, who sinned and committed the first sin by disobeying God with taking the forbidden fruit. Then, she tempted Adam, who committed the second sin, by also eating the forbidden fruit. It was only after those sins that death and sin upon sin, and sickness and sadness, and on and on, came into the world. This saddened God and forever put a barrier between God and our perfect relationship with him. It was with Moses that God provided a plan for sacrifices to pay for out sins (which were pointed out to us in the 10 commandments), the sacrifices required shed blood. In the old testament, that required a perfect unblemished animal. When Jesus came, he was God in human form and he was the only perfect human ever. When he paid the price for our sin, once and for all, once we’ve admitted our sin and our need for a savior, he makes all our sin forgiven. This does not mean that we won’t ever sin again, or make mistakes, hurt people, hurt ourselves…, it’s these sin that cause some of the sadness in the world. But, bad things are not always caused by our sins, sometimes it’s caused by the fact that as Jesus said, ‘in this world you will have trouble’- and he tells us to take heart, and to have faith in him, because he has overcome the world. In the Bible there is also a verse that says, the rain falls on the just and the unjust. In other words, in a crude worldly way of saying, ‘some times, SH*T happens’…, there is not always a good explanation for it. That’s were faith and believing in the ‘unseen’, but trustworthy savior (Jesus), comes into play. If our lives were perfect on earth and we never had a bad day, or a hard life, we would never look forward to heaven, or feel a need for a savior. That’s how I understand this and trust, me, my life has been far from pleasant, I have had the graduate degree of the school of hard knocks.

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Joe Siczpak February 14, 2016 at 12:31 am

“God allows things that are ‘seemingly bad’ to come into our lives, because he’s wanting us to turn to him, not to fall into disbelief. ”

Quote the scripture or go home.

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Robert December 23, 2015 at 3:04 pm

Thanks for being honest. I had a son the had an addictive disorder. When he was in ICU, my well meaning pastor said that God must be chastising him. Yet a few weeks later a Deacon died of a sudden heart attack, yet that was Gods will. My take is that he does not know God’s will for himself much less anyone else. I was raised Catholic, turned Evangelical 30 years ago. I now have returned to my more rational Catholicism, that does not think science is of the devil, and psychology it’s god of evil.
Robert G Johnson, MA, LPC, NCC, CAADC
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Chloe Jeffreys December 23, 2015 at 6:40 pm

Hey Robert, yes there is a level of convenience to this concept. When terrible things happen to other people it must be because they aren’t living right, or somehow God is teaching them a leson, but when bad things happen to them, or people they like, then that’s somehow God’s will and for the best. WTF?

Frankly, a good reading of Job will show that this sort of thinking isn’t anything new. People have been trying to blame victims of unfortunate circumstances since nearly the beginning of time.

I am sorry about your son. Sadly, I have more experience in this area that I feel I can share, but my heart really aches for what you must have been going through with your son.

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Donald December 22, 2015 at 8:10 am

You’ve gotten some strange comments. I’m a little concerned about Martin down there. I hope someone can stop and help him up.

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Martin December 22, 2015 at 4:38 pm

Don’t concern yourself about me. Why? There is NOTHING you can do for me. I am a big boy, and my salvation is in my own hands. The person you CAN do something for is yourself. But, that may not work out well either. Why? Because you are looking sideways, not inward. Heal yourself before you purport to heal others. Oh, but I am GOOD. That is why I look at others. …..Right.

We both know that your slim comment was little more than a sad human snipe. I said something you disagreed with, so now you pretend to worry about me. Wouldn’t God be SO proud of your little snipe.

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Donald December 22, 2015 at 8:06 am

So very well put. Thank you Miss…(scrolling back to the top to get your name) Chloe. You seem to be as beautiful within as without. I believe that is rare in Christianity.

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Claire December 22, 2015 at 6:25 am

Thank you! I’ve been wanting to say that!

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Me December 6, 2015 at 12:47 pm

Someone does not turn into an atheist because God let something bad happen to them. They are then angry at God. Feel betrayed by God, but logically still believe that God existed in order to feel betrayed, ignored, hurt. Atheism comes from reading and studying the bible without bias or anger and making a decision. But I imagine that turning away from your belief in anger would be crushing. Have you also addressed the whole “pray for forgiveness” practice? Praying is a wonderful way to destress, purge unwanted feelings, and feel better ( aside from the obvious talking to God feeling). But it would be nice if it was also preached in parralel to that message to also ask forgiveness from the person that was wronged. Just a thought from someone raised in the church, not angry, and respectful of others beliefs.

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Dr.GeraldSchroeder December 6, 2015 at 1:50 pm

Thoroughly disagree, its almost impossible to be unbiased. Lets be honest most atheists dislike the character of God, there is always a bias of not wanting to believe something exists which you dont like. Plus it is no way from reading the whole bible, if that were the case atheists would be correcting me on context and scripture etc. But its always the atheist quote mining and failing to understand parables and other mechanics of literature. Maybe theyre just stupid.

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Mike December 6, 2015 at 3:02 pm

“Someone does not turn into an atheist because God let something bad happen to them.”

Sure they can. People expect something in return for their obedience to God. Depending on one’s interpretation of scripture, this may or may not be a reasonable expectation. There wouldn’t be very many people believing in God if it didn’t have a profound impact on people’s lives. But as someone wisely pointed out to me once, if life was truly fair, and every human being was content and pleased with their life, and no one was a victim of evil, people wouldn’t believe in God then either, because they wouldn’t feel any need for him. The point of faith is that you trust in God’s authority over the universe, and that you trust that all of this misfortune and horror that we experience is for a purpose, even if we can’t comprehend it. And as the article points out, sometimes those who passionately praise God will be the victims of this misfortune and horror, so it is misleading to preach otherwise.

“Atheism comes from reading and studying the bible without bias or anger and making a decision.”

I’m not sure I follow that. Atheist conclusions comes from all kinds of perspectives. While many atheists may have done extensive bible study, there are plenty that have done quite little. Plus I’m not really sure how one could read the Bible fully and come to a conclusion from the text alone that God must not exist. I can see a conclusion being drawn that fundamentalism is a poor application of the texts, or that much of it is not historical fact, or that the Bible alone is not enough to convince someone God is real, but the conclusion that “God must not exist because of what this book says”, I don’t find reasonable.

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Martin December 4, 2015 at 1:48 pm

Here is a thought. Most of us here are complaining. I did some time back. I have commented a few times here and there since. Prosperity Doctrine, or selling the “God of Love”. It sets folks up for a fall. Either a total break from God, a feeling of failure in their faith, or something in between. WHAT do you do when things get all confused.

Go back to the beginning. What IS the beginning? Well, THAT is easy. (finally, something that IS easy) The FEAR of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. A pure, simple verse of scripture. And I do mean FEAR. Not reverence. Abject FEAR. But….but….but…. I was taught we should NOT fear God. Put simply, you were lied to. And there is a reason why it IS fear and why you were lied to. If a preacher/teacher denomination does not tone down this verse, it will lead to hellfire and damnation preaching. LOL. Given the way things are now, I don’t know that’s a bad idea. The SIMPLE way to defuse the verse is to LOOK CAREFULLY at the verse. YES, fear means fear. But it ALSO says it is the beginning of wisdom. One simple word: Beginning. Not the be all and end all of wisdom.

Why is it Fear? This confuses me. Should I LOVE God or Fear him. The reason Fear is the beginning of wisdom is because it presupposes a belief in an unseen God strong enough to elicit fear. Our God has NO rational explanation, Apologetics be damned. Apologetics seeks to win an argument in the human frame. To convince RATIONAL people that God exists. If God wanted to convince rational people of his existence, he would have written the Bible in such a way to convince rational people. We are not people of rationality. We are people of faith.

Now, I don’t fear God. Why? I know the rules: If I forgive those who have wronged me, God is justified to forgive my sins. Bingo. Game over. No fear, Reverence or Love required. For a great many reasons, you could not beat my belief in God out of me. Too much evidence, that Gods’ spirit in me, helps me see correctly declares Gods’ presence everywhere. I also know that I can sin and not worry. What??? Yeah. The Bingo rule from up above. I don’t worry about sin. I try to be upright and strong, because I believe it will please God. But I am not bound by it. I can do WHATEVER. Just forgive.

All I can say is, I just had a couple of hours of spiritual comfort. And I find myself thinking of the notion of FEARING the Lord. Not a coincidence. A fear of the Lord IS THEE starting point. Perhaps if we re-embrace a fear of the Lord, we will quit bitching at him. That in itself may be a good thing.

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Claire December 22, 2015 at 6:31 am

Nice ?

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Billy December 1, 2015 at 3:51 am

God is allowing my brother and his family to use me with no reguard to my feelings/needs. I am disabled, but I own my car. The family has taken control of my car with no consideration of me. They don’t even ask me if I need anything. They were told to bring my car home at night to no avail. .They don’t even call and say anything about keeping my car overnight. My mother is doing everything for me and she’s eighty years old. Where is God in this picture? Does he really Care about me/ I feel like he’s failed me “God never fails,” is an untrue statement, because he’s failing me!

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Martin December 2, 2015 at 12:36 am

“God never fails” is not in the Bible. Unless that wording is in some paraphrase version. The verse you might be more likely be referring to is “God will never leave you or forsake you”. But as Job teaches, he can, and seemingly does, turn you over to temptation at Satans’ whim. God: Look at this man. He believes in me. Satan: That is because you bless him. And then God consents to take everything away from you piece by piece at Satans’ prompting. Pretty sadistic game. I have been getting F’d over 14 years now. Sucks. Come on God. Help a brother out for a bit.

You think you got it bad. I saw this on 60 minutes. Louisiana I believe, a black guy gets sent to prison but is innocent. Stays there 30 years. Either a witness recants, or another person confesses. Regardless, the guy goes free. The Chicken Shit Louisiana District Attorney DENIES the man his money for being falsely incarcerated on a technicality. They guy is given a $20 gift card. He eats ONE meal with it. Then, within weeks, he is sick. Terminal cancer. He lives in a hospice waiting to die. But no money for him to enjoy for a few months, or anything to leave to his family. No peace of mind knowing he will have a roof over his head, and food to eat in the time before his illness is discovered. No money for the best care. Just the worst care. The technicality was, that he was not tried on some lesser counts. Not HIS fault. But if the released inmate wants to reinstate his DESERVED money, he must prove himself innocent. ??? What a horrific evil to do to a man that had already suffered 30 years of evil. What a F ing world. I am fairly ready to GO.

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josi December 2, 2015 at 7:04 am

There is much disillusionment among the people about who God is…When i hear stories like this, it always takes me directly to what Jesus’ life was like…Not an easy life and He was the Son of God…A Man of Sorrows, He understands…He went bf us and was tempted in every way…There is also much disillusionment among what is being taught which brings us to this very article…What most teach today are the polar opposite of what the life and times were like for Jesus, His Disciples and Apostles, Saints who were Martyred for the cause of the faith…u wouldn’t dare see this today and that is where i believe the root of the problems lie…The bible teaches “deny yourself and take up your cross”…This life was meant for service and not for self as the “American Dream” teaches…it’s all about self not about self sacrifice…I’ve not seen one Pastor deny himself and take up his cross, so if He is unwilling what do u believe He is teaching his followers…look at the likes of “Joel Osteen”…who quotes, “Your Best Life Now”…We are not citizens of this world and our home is not here…our best life comes after…so many are being led astray and deceived by false doctrine bc they are not reading the word of God for themselves but instead they are placing their trust in a “Man”. There is only one Man you can trust thru the good and bad times…Jesus himself…who went thru bad times for most of his short life…God is sovereign, I had to learn what this meant when, in the prime of my life, I fell ill and lost everything….i count it all as dung compared to the promise of Jesus who paid it all to bring me a great reward! People, we’ve already been given our great reward…this world is passing away and everything in it…embrace your reward and be set free from the wiles of a world that no longer fits you…cut the cord of this world…there is nothing here that will ever satisfy your longings and desires of the heart, bc nothing can compare to the joy which is in Christ Jesus…Amen!

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Joe Siczpak February 14, 2016 at 12:35 am

Stop using the damn ellipsis as a substitute for the period. It only makes your rambling nonsense even less worth attempting to read.

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Daniel November 20, 2015 at 4:06 pm

I definitely empathize with everyone’s comments on here.. Life can be very hard even when we try to do all of the right things and believe all of the right things.. I think the prosperity gospel which has been preached for many years is definitely largely to blame… Maybe the most important thing we can do is look to Jesus the person.. Spripure said He had “nowhere to lay his head” (homeless) “he was a man of sorrows”, “you must take up your cross and follow me.” That would make me think that we should not expect smooth sailing if the One Whom we’ve put our faith in knew suffering more than any of us.

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Nii November 19, 2015 at 11:09 pm

Hi Tom,
İ agree with you certainly that the Devil is very active when it comes to persuading us to do evil. And YES we often listen to him rather than God. İ think İ will like to point out the pseudo-Christian myth of the first sin as having sex.
İt was not having sex. They were married and had been having sex alright (because without sex they are not to be considered man and wife).
The Tree properly translated is the Tree of Judgement of Good and Evil. Judgement of what is Good and Evil is what God does and that is why the Devil told Eve she will be like God. God as we know does not have sex.
Once infused with the knowledge that they have done evil by disobeying God judgement dwelt in their bones. Just ask lawyers and judges who deal with judgement all the time!

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The Perfect Gentleman November 14, 2015 at 8:31 pm

Hey I’ve had my fair share of hardships. 2009 I had H1N1. 2010 it was colon cancer. 2013 my identity was erased and that mean I couldn’t get a job and work because I couldn’t pass a background check cause I didn’t exist according to the state. So I got behind on all my bills and lights got cut off, phone got cut off, cable off, water off, and I had to sell both of my cars to at least pay my mortgage for a few months then got behind on that too and the bank tried to foreclose my house. To make it bad the more I prayed the worse things got for me. I must’ve prayed a billion times from sun up to sun down prayed prayed prayed with no answers not a peep. I felt about as bad as a man could feel. But the thing that kept me going is that I knew when life was going great it’s easy to talk about believing in GOD and his love and grace but could I do the same thing when times were bad? I’m definitely not making light of your afflictions or your questions cause we all have them from time to time. I’m just gonna tell you don’t you ever give up. No matter how hard it gets sometimes all you can do is just hang in there but hang in there and HE will answer you just like he answered me. Just look at all the hell you’ve already been through and you’re still here. Love the strength on this post.

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joe December 23, 2015 at 6:41 am

god is a joke he is not real just empty promises!!!!!!!!!!

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Byron January 24, 2016 at 9:57 am

Amen !!!

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Eldridge November 12, 2015 at 4:07 am

As a 38 year old Christian that has been saved since early childhood , I have learned many things that old fashioned bible thumping Christians taught and many still do teach are wrong. The whole prosperity gospel is pure trash, the lies saying if you follow Gods commandments , you will be happy and things will be well are huge exaggerations. Oh sure , everyone that is alive can find at least 1 thing to be thankful for but that does not take away the rest of the horrible mess that happens in our lives that an all power God that loves us more than anything can easily keep from happening. God said in life ye shall have tribulation which is understandable since this whole planet is cursed because of the sin of our ancestors [Adam ,Eve] that unfortunately is passed down to us. I am at the point and have been for a long time where I realize I will never be satisfied until after my death and resurrection in Heaven. I hate this world with a passion. Even when I find days that seem to go nice , I always know it wont last and suffering is guaranteed to happen and probably at a greater scale than any happiness I ever had. I am sometimes surprised that I still follow a God that does not talk to me, lets suffering continue, stays invisible and makes it easy for anyone to think that if there is a God , hes not all hes cracked up to be because , just look at this messed up planet. I can not just simply switch to being an atheist because I see enough evidence that the Bible [KJV} wrote about this world is and has come true so therefore the stuff written about our invisible Father is also true. But all those psalms about how” no weapon formed against me will prosper”, how” I fear no evil for thou are with me” [the main evil I fear is what I will do myself if I keep being provoked] and this and that seems to only apply to certain key people as it defiantly does not apply to us all. Plenty of Christians were hurt and died because of those weapons that were not supposed to prosper. I do not fear evil that other men do to me and I do not fear death ,[I actually have a deathwish] but plenty of evil has happened to me and us all. “If ye have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can tell a mountain to get up and move and it shall.” So no matter how much faith we have that God CAN do something , because we are also unfortunate enough to be able to get a “No” answer to our prayers, we have no guarantee God will do ANYTHING we ask for unless he specifically said he will do this or that to YOU or ME specifically. My dad laid dying slowly because of brain problems that possible came about because of the previous evil that was allowed to prosper against him in the past. He was jumped by thugs, head stomped and robbed by some ghetto trash worthless human scum. My brother and I also at different times also suffered un-avenged gang or thug violence. Me and my bro prayed for him simultaneously [“when 2 or more gather together in My name , there I will be in their midst”] and yup, he still died, but not before suffering a long slow humiliating time at a hospital he never wanted to go to. So Jesus was supposedly in our midst , but what happened besides our dad having a third witness to his suffering by a God that can see everything at once anyway. Am I angry?, yup, Am i bitter ? yup. But I am angry and bitter at life and many people but not God. At least I try not to be. I can try to count my blessings to feel better. I have eyes, I have arms and legs, a roof over my head and food to eat etc etc. And then when I start to feel better I realize I can lose all those things in an instant as well. maybe in the next few seconds. I am at the mercy of invisible God as always as we all are. I will sum up in a sec. So anyway, at 35, after sacrificing my normal life and taking care of my dad from 2003 – 2011 , not only did he die horribly , but I also lost my home due to extreme water damage and other damage due to hurricanes. I foolishly followed my dad’s advice to get out of the “system” and be a sovereign years before, so that made it so I had no S.S.N and could not get good jobs and make good money or even have government assistance and yes that was due to taking bible verses about coming out of the beast etc, out of context and applying it to our lives and messing things up. And then… what a co inky dink! So many weird coincidences happened to me and many others in 2011, and the timings of them going along with Biblical feast days etc led me to believe the Great Tribulation was about to start. My best friend also just happened to vanish around the same time as my dad started to get his brain problem ,never to be heard from again mysteriously, and no way of communicating with his family to see if hes even still alive. So due to that obvious now , miscalculation. I took my mom’s offer after she begged me and my bro for 3 months after my dad’s death and the house being unlivable due to mold and water damage and the roof about to collapse on us, to move to Thailand with her and start a new life “It will be great , you will live like kings” she kept saying. None of that was a selling point to me as i would not wanna live with her and her husband and her family..ever. But I thought I would be dead or raptured by now and not stuck in a foreign country with her. So I came over here seeing how God did not provide ANY other signs that He had anything for us in USA and I thought that He was leading me over here with my unsaved mom to spend some time with her before we all die and maybe she’ll get saved somehow as well as her husband. That was 2012, its 2015 now and no Great Tribulation of the Bible happened, but only the personal tribulation of being a 38 year old man, never had a girl friend, never had a good paying job, never been kissed, by anyone I would want to kiss, never had a date, only had maybe 2 years of independence and enjoying life as my own man., now trapped in a foreign country and having to learn a new language . I teach some guy english every week and make only less than $6 usd equivalent of money each week. Then I have to somehow get money to be able to afford a vocational school to learn any decent career skills. I live with my nagging mom and her 2 sons[older than me] from some other man before she was with my now dead father, and before her current husband. [Do not get me started on him] Yeah my life sucks big time and I can only HOPE God will makes things better in life or just kill me soon so I can begin to enjoy eternity. At least the latter is guaranteed. It better be, or else the bible was just a huge misunderstanding this whole time.

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Katrina November 12, 2015 at 11:52 am

I read this and almost cried, because I woke up feeling just like this letter. I had to stop reading it because I was thinking to myself, did I write this, these thoughts are my thoughts. I am sitting here spaced out because I can’t believe there is somebody else in this world who have the same feelings I do towards this place called LIFE!

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Eldridge November 12, 2015 at 1:17 pm

We can’t be the only ones that feel or maybe even felt this way about life. I stopped going to churches years ago as I saw how they all just seem to be the same filled with lies and or mistakes that mess up lives. I learned a lot more about myself and for myself on my own doing my own studying and experiencing. Too many things are taken out of context and I like many other people take some truth that is mixed with lies or error and use “faith” not really knowing the true meaning of having faith in God and just blindly ruin their lives such as those that sold all they had thinking the rapture would occur on Oct 21’s a few years ago. I looked at those people and said to myself “how stupid” but what I did wasn’t far from the type of choices they made thinking they were doing the right thing. I was no member of a cult but I took to much wrong info and put blind faith into what God had nothing to do with apparently. Some / most would say “God can make a way outta no way” Oh I am sure he can, but WILL he ? for me? this time? No guarantee. I definitely feel less joy in life these days with out the same naive “faith”in promises that didn’t exist. But that peace that surpasses all understanding that we supposedly have, is that looking forward to Heaven as we know/believe we are saved from eternal damnation. It sure is weird when you think about how things get bad and we look at death as the great escape. “Oh , just lost everything , but at least when I die , I will have pleasures unimaginable with no suffering forever :)” Stuff like that. I wonder if life would feel as bad to us if we had never known good things. If a person was born with no limbs and saw no others with limbs can that person feel lack? If a person does not value him/herself would rape even bother the victim as much? Maybe we hate life so much because of what we know we do not have but could or should have in our minds. We believe in a God that can do anything , create anything, make everything right, and yet… when we look for him many times , when we ask him to talk to us audibly, all we hear is the surrounding sounds. And we are left with a book that says things like “My grace is sufficient for you” and God putting Job is his place , showing him how insignificant he is [and everything else] compared to God. and an explanation that we can not hear or see God in the meantime [1000’s of years] but we are left with the “Holy Spirit” and the “Word of God” the Bible. Just makes us wonder how long our programmer is gonna let us suffer in this messed up glitched up video game called life. Some would try to make us feel guilty of complaining about our problems, well if they were not problems to begin with, there would be no complaints right? I mean God himself promised us suffering. {well whoever he was talking to at the time] So us imperfect humans have a natural reaction to this mess. I think of suicide often. But not only can I not come up with the best guaranteed way of making it painless and instant. But then there is that pesky threat of losing an eternal reward for something bad you did or something good you did not do. Life sux enough down here I want no loss up there. I want my eternity to be as good as it can be. That is a motivation for me to not off myself besides the face that if I mess up I can end up in a coma and life in even worst nightmare than I already am in. Paralyzed unable to wake up from whatever dream is floating around in our head if we are even really asleep. You know that feeling of knowing you are asleep but you struggle to wake up for one reason or another. You try to move but you feel your body nudge a lil bit but it just wont move enough to wake up fully. Imagine being stuck like that for who knows how long. Life sux enough already. At LEAST we have HOPE for a good afterlife. I am tired gotta get some sleep. will I wake up like every time? or will I end up on the other side like I have been praying for for many years. If i was a gambler I ‘d bet yup, I will be alive. I would not lose any money if I was wrong cuz it wont exist where I am going anyway. WOO HOO. Night

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T.C November 14, 2015 at 11:42 pm

Wow, Katrina. It’s hard to believe, hey? I also feel the same way too. They only difference is that I cried b4 reading it, haha… due 2 m own PROB’s. May we shud all jst get 2getha and live a wonderful, sad life.

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T.C November 14, 2015 at 11:45 pm

Wow, Katrina. It’s hard to believe, hey? I also feel the same way too. They only difference is that I cried b4 reading it, haha… due 2 m own PROB’s. May we shud all jst get 2getha and live a wonderful, sad life. You can email me and we can be friends if u’d like.:)

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T.C November 14, 2015 at 11:46 pm

Wow, Katrina. It’s hard to believe, hey? I also feel the same way too. They only difference is that I cried b4 reading it, haha… due 2 m own PROB’s. May we shud all jst get 2getha and live a wonderful, sad life. You can email me and we can be friends if u’d like.:)
rapstcore@gmail.com

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tom November 19, 2015 at 7:10 pm

EVERY BODY ON THIS PLANET FEELS THE WAY EVERY BODY ON THIS WEBSITE DOES THEY JUST HAVE SURVVIAL TRAUMA BLINDERS ON AND IF THEY BROUGHT THE WAY WE FEEL OUT AND LOOKED AT THIS TRUTH THEY WOUL ALL IMPLODE AND THERE WOULD BE NO ONE HERE THE DEVIL OR THE DORK IN CHARGE COMMANDS THE AIR HE OR IT HEARS ALL OF OUR IDIOT THOUGHTS PEOPLE THATS HOW HE OR IT COUNTERS US MAKES US DIISAGREE OH MY GOD HE WAS SUPPOSED TO TURN RIGHT .. BUT INSTEAD HE TURNED LEFT ..OH NO I CANT BELIEVE HE DID THAT WELL PEOPLE THE COMMANDER OF THE AIR HEARS YOUR THOUGHTS …DUHHHHH HE OR IT OR THEY CAUSE CONFLICT BETWEEN ALL OF US UNSUSPECTING HUMANS … GET IT NOW F O L K S. WE ALL FEEL THE FUCKING SAME ABOUT ALL THIIS SHIT… WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Daniel November 20, 2015 at 6:18 am

Your comment was very confusing to read, as well as being totally dismissive to every comment made thus far… Were you trying to make a point somewhere within your comment? If so, could you clarify, and maybe use punctuation?

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tom November 19, 2015 at 7:30 pm

EVERY BODY ON THIS PLANET FEELS THE WAY EVERY BODY ON THIS WEBSITE DOES THEY JUST HAVE SURVVIAL TRAUMA BLINDERS ON AND IF THEY BROUGHT THE WAY WE FEEL OUT AND LOOKED AT THIS TRUTH THEY WOUL ALL IMPLODE AND THERE WOULD BE NO ONE HERE THE DEVIL OR THE DORK IN CHARGE COMMANDS THE AIR HE OR IT HEARS ALL OF OUR IDIOT THOUGHTS PEOPLE THATS HOW HE OR IT COUNTERS US MAKES US DIISAGREE OH MY GOD HE WAS SUPPOSED TO TURN RIGHT .. BUT INSTEAD HE TURNED LEFT ..OH NO I CANT BELIEVE HE DID THAT WELL PEOPLE THE COMMANDER OF THE AIR HEARS YOUR THOUGHTS …DUHHHHH HE OR IT OR THEY CAUSE CONFLICT BETWEEN ALL OF US UNSUSPECTING HUMANS … GET IT NOW F O L K S. WE ALL FEEL THE FUCKING SAME ABOUT ALL THIIS SHIT… WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOUR NOT ALONE THIS DEFINITELY CANT BE WHERE WE SHOULD BE WE ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE …CANT BELIEVE WE FELL FOR THIS SHIT

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tom November 19, 2015 at 7:33 pm

CANT BELIEVE WE ALL FELL FOR ALL THIS BULLSHIT PLACE WE ARE NOT ALONE WE ALLLLLLLLLLLL HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED!!!

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Nii November 19, 2015 at 11:08 pm

Hi Tom,
İ agree with you certainly that the Devil is very active when it comes to persuading us to do evil. And YES we often listen to him rather than God. İ think İ will like to point out the pseudo-Christian myth of the first sin as having sex.
İt was not having sex. They were married and had been having sex alright (because without sex they are not to be considered man and wife).
The Tree properly translated is the Tree of Judgement of Good and Evil. Judgement of what is Good and Evil is what God does and that is why the Devil told Eve she will be like God. God as we know does not have sex.
Once infused with the knowledge that they have done evil by disobeying God judgement dwelt in their bones. Just ask lawyers and judges who deal with judgement all the time!

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Ellie November 16, 2015 at 3:46 pm

I feel the same way I have a sick child and a lot of unanswered prayers my life keeps getting harder and harder I wish this world would end and if heaven is real I don’t think I’m going there

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Mike November 26, 2015 at 6:46 pm

Well, I’d just like to say I’m on this team as well, as I post this on this supposed day of thanks that I’ve basically just grown to be sick of. Sure, I’ve got things to be thankful for, but it’s gotten to the point where every is just expected to be thankful for every moment in their life that ISN’T miserable, otherwise they’re some kind of terrible ungrateful person. But why should I be thankful to God for such a terrible fucking creation filled with such horrible acts done by people that they are constantly rewarded for? Why the fuck would I want to thank God for this mess that I have to watch unravel day after day. I too cannot wait to die and leave this mess. I’m about to turn 40 and I’m obviously not getting blessed with children, or a godly wife, and from the looks of it, also not with a fruitful career that I can spend my days enjoying. My life has been a downward spiral of rejection since accepting Christ. I had to leave a state I called home for 13 years to move back in with my mother in my hometown because I ran out of money. I was so excited when I had found Christ. I was never ashamed to tell someone about it, how it just felt so real and I saw so much truth in it all. So obviously I made it the focal point of my life, and most of all, I believed that everything would work itself out, and that I was just being “tested” with tribulations. But how can that be? 20 months later and I’m broke, severely in debt, and still have no fucking clue what to do with my life. Where are you God? Where are you for those of us that don’t have things figured out? Where are you for those of us who don’t fit the mold of those of your faithful who live “functioning” Christian lives? How dare you allow us to be silenced in this world while so many of our peers simply ignore your significance in this universe. How are we to feel blessed by all of this? I can’t even write anymore I’m so fucking pissed off right now.

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Chloe Jeffreys November 27, 2015 at 12:03 pm

Dear Mike, I hear your frustration and anger and it breaks my heart. You have every right to feel angry over promises that were made by people who ignored the truth of what Jesus really had to say about blessings. I hope posting here at least helped you vent your rage and will help you move on. If it is any consolation, studies show that the trajectory of happiness in any given life takes a marked downswing in your early 40s. While that may be cold comfort, at least know that you are probably entering the worst of it which means that it will get better. I know for me that my early 40s sucked big hairy balls.

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Mike November 28, 2015 at 10:53 pm

Hi Chloe. Thank you for the kind, uplifting response. I have definitely lost hope that my life will get any better. I can’t seem to take on any challenge anymore without experiencing failure or rejection. I am alone and broke. There’s no way I could handle several more years of this. At this point I am just trying to figure out how to build up the courage to end my life. I don’t care about any of family anymore, even though they really aren’t bad people. I am just a drain on them at this point. I feel worthless to the world. I can’t wait for this pain to end and to just move on to whatever is next, even if it just means shutting the curtain on this horrible existence before me.

I too aspire to be a writer. I don’t know why I have been failed to be blessed with the ability to complete something worthy of making a career out of it. I just can’t see to go anywhere with it, even though I feel it was what I was meant to do. I’m glad it has worked out better for you. I hope it continues to be a big part of your life.

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Trevor Nalliah November 11, 2015 at 3:44 am

All you believers and non- believers can now know for certain that
Jesus Is Not Deciple Of Truth,,,

Like most of mankind, Jesus is a lost soul,,, A soul that never existed,,,

Malfunction is NOT a way to the Truth,,,

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josi November 11, 2015 at 6:31 am

It is as sure as the air that you breathe that you will meet Jesus face to face but i hope bf then u will renounce what u have said. It will be a tragedy that you would have put your faith in a lie rather then the already atoned sacrifice that Jesus has completed for you…it is waiting for you to take and receive but after your last breath is breathed, it will be too late…

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ThatGal November 9, 2015 at 8:13 pm

“When disaster befalls our brother or sister in Christ*, this creates anxiety in us. And out of our own anxiety, we become shitheads to our suffering friends.”
Absolutely. When a good friend recently commit suicide and devestated me, I needed support, I let people know I was having a rough time. The majority of friends scattered like mice when you turn the light on. No matter what you think about suicide, loved ones are still left behind. We can’t turn off our grief, stop loving them, wipe out the memories, not struggle with guilt and “why?” We didn’t take that life, but it seems because it was a choice, the is no sympathy or empathy. I have to get through this alone.

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josi November 10, 2015 at 5:59 am

Dear ThatGirl,
I totally feel you…mental illness is a hushed topic that is avoided…and i believe the “body” is taught to scatter…in my recent experiences of being hurt by brothers and sisters in Christ, i was left shocked and dismayed, stunned even…i know the word teaches that the world will hate u but i never expected this from the church…i was part of a small connect group and each group has a leader…these leaders are taught by clergy how to respond to certain matters…this women was a tyrant of a bully and noticeably perched and proud…i was expected to submit to her authority…these groups are a hindrance to the body..all it does it promote pride and is for the ones who are attending, a social hook-up…no real compassion or getting to addressing problems in our community where people are alone and hurting…in my experience, the mice scatter and the pastor withdraw…it’s painful, lonely and discouraging to realize that escaping the world to church where on should feel safe and loved, is not escaping the world…and the wolves will enter into the church devouring even the elect, if that were possible..i don’t know where your located but i am in support of you and i want to love on you..pls do contact me…m.jozie07@gmail.com…In Him, Josi

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peter November 7, 2015 at 11:42 am

Do you have any idea about me getting a job? No!. Your just as full of crap, like everyone else.

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Jeff October 31, 2015 at 7:24 pm

@billy

Seriously? You come to a place like this and accuse people of whining?

So what if they are – who are you to say that your suffering is greater than any other human suffering?!

The entire world is suffering. All 7 billion of us. Yes, the plan is in the Book. That doesn’t alleviate pain in all cases.

You relate to your own suffering, you spell out the details as though you’ve suffered like no other who’s walked the earth. But what do you offer those who here who are also hurting? You don’t know their circumstances – what they’ve been through – your judgment is based on a paragraph on some lonely website that was found – searched for to – in some way – alleviate their suffering. Does Christ value your personal tragedy more than anyone else?!

Show a little compassion. Disgusting.

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Jeff October 31, 2015 at 7:13 pm

Well said.

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Nina October 29, 2015 at 9:51 am

Thank you for writing this article. It really is the truth. It has helped me a lot to just read this today.

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billy October 28, 2015 at 7:53 am

The plan is in the Book. I do not read here that anyone has had an encounter, some whining cause it’s not going your way.
On the darkest night of my life, son going to prison in a few days, wife in depression, father in-law dying, another son left, couldn’t take it anymore and it all seemed to have started as a spiritual awakening had started with me. All hell had broken loose. Then on a night, 14 years ago, at 51 years old, crying, body literally shaking from fear, hurting down to the marrow in my bones, wanted to die to get away from the pain. On a back porch of my home alone I spoke a scripture, Luke 11:13, then screamed, SCREAMED, to the top of my lung capacity ” I don’t know what that is but I have got to have something”. Did not know what was meant by “give the Holy Spirit to those that ask”. Did not know anything about the Holy Spirit. What happened next was like something poured over me and in me, like warm honey flowing from my head all the ways to my toes. No, crying, shaking, peace. All the problems did not instantly go away but I was able to walk through them in peace. Now some 14 years later, people keep telling me to write a book of the experiences. I now giving back what was given me on a farm in Tennessee. God does have a plan, it is in the book. The plan is follow the example of Jesus in ALL that we do. Hard times and good, follow His example and you will meet Him here and in the life to come. No matter what comes, I have a constant companion, counselor, and guide. “seek first the Kingdom of God then……..” He is my peace, my joy. All has been restored and in the last 7 years, well just too much to list.

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Belle October 27, 2015 at 6:02 am

You know, I am so tired of hearing God has a wonderful plan for my life when nothing but shit has happened to me. I honestly thought I obeyed God a year or so ago when I left my job to pursue a different direction in career. Now it seems like I’m being forced to give up my home and go back to my mother’s house and the mission field because that’s the only field open to me. I can’t get an effin job. And all I want to do is live my own life and support myself at effin 38 years old. I don’t want this life. I don’t want to live as an effin missionary. I feel like I am going insane. I feel like “God”, if he exists, is forcing me into a direction that I’ve been in before, but don’t want. And this is what Christians call love?

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Nina October 29, 2015 at 9:55 am

Yeah I’m with you on that, Belle. Know exactly what you’re going through. I’m 34, in very similar circumstances. That is why reading this post above helped. People need to knock off the ‘great plan’ prosperity gospel. I really think it makes us rely more on our feelings than anything else. And then when things don’t make sense it feels even worse.

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Ashley E.H. October 25, 2015 at 1:50 pm

Trials can strengthen a person and lead the person to becoming more Godly then he or she already is.

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Jacy37 October 24, 2015 at 4:26 am

Good article and topic! The one great problem that people so often fail to recognize is that ‘God’ gave us “free-will.” If not, if God, Christ, The Holy Spirit just controlled and directed every one of our actions, behaviors, and the resulting outcomes, we would not be living as autonomous human beings but like puppets on the stage of life.

I also find it incomprehensible that both disappointed Christians AND, Agnostic & Atheists blame God/Christ for “letting bad things happen to us,” God’s children. IF you are going to even consider that “God lets bad things; tragic and crisis’ happen to us,” then where is the logic in that, when in fact God gave us free will to chose ourselves whether or not, we wish to follow in Christ’s examples, OR, not believe at all?

What about the ‘Evil Entity’ in this world? You can’t “blame God” and then not acknowledge the defector! Just as there is good/God’s loving presence flowing through us, there is bad/Satan’s loveless, hate-filled energy running rampant in this world; creating fear, hatred, bigotry, greed, lust, (and therefore, HUMANS so often being tempted into carrying out actions and behaviors that create suffering HERE in this place and time).

Jesus never promised us a perfect life but gave us tools through his own life/examples of how to receive more peace, understanding, compassion, inner strength, and most of all; love in this world that is so corrupted by not embracing these ‘life power tools.’

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Nina October 29, 2015 at 9:59 am

Yeah the problem with the ‘Evil Defector’ for me at least is that 1) God made him with the foreknowledge of his actions and 2) God put him on earth with his imperfect creations. And it’s like, why? Do we not have enough to struggle with with our own sin and the imperfect world we were brought into? Why did God allow Saran to run rampant? Nobody has EVER been able yo answer that question directly. It’s like, if I let a known pedophile babysit my toddler people would think I was a bad parent, right? But God is a perfect father who ALLOWED and WATCHES the devil run rampant in this imperfect world…

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tom November 19, 2015 at 9:01 pm

ITS LIKE I SAID BEFORE EVERY HUMAN LISTENS TO THE VOICE IN THEIR HEAD THINKING…….. ITS THEIRS ESPECIALLY THE NEGATIVE (SERPENT) THOUGHT WE TAKE THAT THOUGHT AND RUN WITH IT LIKE ZOMBIES .DUH THAT NEGATIVE LOUD VOICE IS MINE IT MUST BE … DUHHH… WE DONT EVEN RAELIZE THAT THE ADVERSARY HEARS OUR THOUGHTS : THE KING OF THE AIR: WHATS THE FASTEST HING INCREATION? … ITS THOUGHT GET THIS. GET IT?!!! TELEPATHY IS NOT NEW PEOPLE E VE R Y B O D Y W A K E U P!!!!!! PLEASE. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME YOU FALL SHORT WAKE UUUUUPPPPP EVERY ONE..! WE ALL HAVE BEEN TO HELL AND BACK SEVERAL TIMES SOME LESS THAN OTHERS SOME OF US MORE. I TOTALY RELATE WITH ALLOF YOU. ME I NEVER FIT IN I COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND JEALOUSY? OR WHY SOME ONE COULD KILL. I NEVER FIT IN , ANY WHERE IVE WATCHED FAMILY ABANDON THEIR ILL AND DYING RELATIVES. CRUELTY . SO MUCH I CANT UNDERSTAND ABOUT HUMANS.YET NOW I KNOW . I KNOW PEOPLE NEVER LISTEN OR ALMOST ALWAYS NEVER LISTEN TO THE CALM EMPATHATICAL COMPASSIONATE VOICE IN THEIR HEAD AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN WE LISTEN TO THE LOUD JOKER.I THOUGHT IT ITS MY THOUGHT …SO THERE ..ILL ACT ON IT DUUUUUUUHHHHH. WITHOUT EVEN FAIRLY WEIGHING IT ALL OUT ..WE HAVE NO PATIENCE ALWAYS IN A HURRY . ALL MY LIFE I ALWAYS SAID THIS IS NOT FAIR … THE WAY PEOPLE TREAT ONE ANOTHE …FLOCK MENTALITY. KILL KILL KILL. WE MUST PULL OUR HEADS OUT OF OUR ASS, AND TAKE A REALISTIC LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE , BUT WE APPEAR UN CAPABLE. WHY BECAUSE WE HEAR T6HAT VOICE ………..AND RRRRUUUUNNNN WITH IT . BEEP.BEEP BOING . THATS WHY JESUS SAID IF SOME ONE CROSSES YOU ,,,,THROW LOVE AND COMPASSION AT THEM …. AND YOU MUST FOR IF YOU DONT THERE WILL BE A MESS YOU DONT FIGHT FIRE WITH GASOLINE… BELIEVE ME WE ARE WEAK IN THE SENSE THAT WE FEED THE OTHERS FIRE , ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS NUMBER 1 REALIZE AND KNOW THAT THAT DESTRUCTIVE (SERPENT) THOUGHT WAS PLANTED THERE BY THE DESTROYER THAT THOUGHT REALLY IS NOT THE RETALIATORS IT WAS PLANTED THER NOT BY THAT INDIVIDUAL …WHAT WE FAIL TO SEE ALOT OF THE TIME IS THAT THE PERSON THAT YOU THINK IS TRYING TO START A FIGHT WITH YOU IS NOT THAT PERSON THAT THOUGHT WAS PLANTED THERE THE SAME WAY THAT EVE WAS BY (THE NEGATIVE ) SERPENT) BEAR WITH ME PLEASE, IF THE PERSON THAT IS RETALIATNG AGAINST YOU IMMEDIATLE NEW THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR NEGATIVE ACTION ….WHEN THEY LOOK BACK … WISH THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE DONE THAT ,JUST AS EVE WOULD NEVER HAVE RAN WITH THE THOUGHT OF HMMMM.”.. WHAT ATHOUGHT IM TEMPTED BY ADAMS SERPENT IS THE THOUGHT WHICH WAS PLACED IN HER HEAD OOOHHHH MY WHY ALL OF THE SUDDEN DOES ADAMS SERPENT LOOK INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT THOUGHT WAS PLACED IN HER HEAD SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS A GENIUS BECAUSE SHE WAS ON TO SOMETHING SO SHE THEN TOOK IT ALL THE WAY AND TOOK ADAMS APPLE PLACING IT IN HER MOPUTH (LABIA ) REGINA) ADAM OF COURSE WAS THEN ALL GAME ON HER TEMPTATION , AT TAHT MOMENT ALL HELL BROKE LOSE THEY HAD INTERCOURSE ,WANTED TO PLAY GOD, INSTEAD OF HAVING PATIENCE AND EVE LISTENING TO THE LOUD VOICE IN HER HEAD WENT AGAINST GODS AUTHORITY, THEY THEN DISCOVERED ORGASM, THEN THEY SLEPT ,SATAN THEN FILLED BOTH THEIR HEADS WHILE THEY SLEPT WITH NEGATIVE THOUGHTS,…LOOK YOUR NAKED , HOW EMBARRASING…WELL LIKE US WE RARELY LISTEN TO THE CALM VOICE IN OUR HEAD….. AND THEY FUCKED DOWN , THEY WERE KICKED OUT OF THEIR BEAUTIFUL EDEN WHICH WAS IN THE FOURTH DIMENSION , HAD SEX LIKE THE ANIMALS , DROPPED IN TO THIRD DIMENSION OUIR HOME NOW , FOR THE TIME BEING AND THEY BROUGHT US ALL WITH THHEM. INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE SUBTLE VOICE IN TEIR HEADS THEY DID THE CONTRARY PUTTING EVERY THING IN REVERSE STICKING US IN A BACK ASS WARDS WORLD WHER EVERY THING ACTUALLY IS GOING IN REVERSE ,(STUCK IN THE MUD) WE LOVE TAKING SHORT CUTS DONT WE WELL WHY NOT WE’RE STUCK IN DESIRE, PAIN AND SUFFERING NOW. INSTAD O FOLLOWING THE INITIAL RULES PAVING US A PATH FORWARD WE WENT BACKWARD . WE WERE SUPPOSED TO USE OUR SEXUAL ENERGY , HARNESS IT THE WAY GOD INTENDED, USING THE ENERGY TO SPIRAL US UP WARDS TOWARDS GOD INSTEAD WE ORGASMED , LEARNED IT CREATED IT AND ARE INIT, WASTED ENERGY THAT COULD HAVE CATAPOLTED US UP TOWARDS GOD , ENOUGH OF ALL THIS FOR NOW THERES TOO MUCH TO EXPLAIN AND TOO, DIFFICULT SO ILL CLIMAX IT BY ..SAYING THAT IF THEY (ADAM, AND EVE) COULD HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE OF THEIR NEGATIVE ACT, AGAINSTTHEIR CREATOR ,MOOORRRE THAN LIKELY THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ACTED ON THAT L O U D THOUGHT. SOOOOO , GETTING BACK TO THAT BAD ,BAD PERSON THAT CROSSE YOU , …IT IS MANDATORY THAT YOU FORGIVE HIM OR HER , CUTTING OFF THE HEAD OF THEIR ,THE PERSON CROSSING YOU ,DISMANTLING THE ENTIRE OPERATION INSTEAD OF FEEDING ITS FIRE , IN SHORT WORDS THAT I WISH I COULD HAVE USED , FORGIGVE THE PERSON, ITS NOT THEIR THOUGHT REALIZE THAT…. I AM SO GUILTY OF LISTENING TO THE LOUD VOICE , MY SELF TO THIS DAY YET IM SLOWLY GETTIN THE PICTURE. ALL OF OUR THOUGHTS ARE HEARD, THATS HOW WE ALL ARE MANIPULATED , GOD HELP THOSE THAT OVER INDULGE IN DRUGS AND ALCHOL ., MODERATION . FUCK ALL THE LAWS , LAWS WRER MADE BY MAN , DONT SPIT ON THE SIDE WALK THERES A FINE AND IF ITS A LUNGER , THERES JJAIL TIME . I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THERE ARE ANY ASTRAL LAWS THAT SAY YOU CANT DRINK , OR DO DRUGS , JUST DONT LET THEM DO YOU. YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THIS PICTURE SUCKS … TRUELY DOES SUCK…

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Chloe Jeffreys November 20, 2015 at 3:47 pm

Tom, you need to click off your caplock key if you want anyone to listen to anything you have to say.

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Claire Johnson March 31, 2016 at 7:01 am

Agree. I would like to read what you post, Tom, but it is frustrating in all CAPS.

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Danny October 21, 2015 at 3:43 pm

Regardless all the bad things happening in your life, you have the hope of heaven. Please don’t give up on God. His ultimate PLAN for you is heaven. If you reject him, you go to hell. Hell is the worst. And if you are there, you are there forever! There is no going back…
If you are experiencing a lot of problems in your life, it is nothing compared to hell, not heaven also. We know God is real, because of Jesus’ miracles and that he rose from the dead. Not only should you believe this, but this is also history. People don’t want to believe this, so they either believe in an idol, or they believe in the scientific Evolution. Evolution doesn’t make sense. How was this universe created? By chance? By an explosion? Well, who caused that explosion? These questions cannot be answered, therefor we shall know that there is a god. Jesus Christ, who died and rose from the dead, who loves us, proves that God is real, and he loves you.

No matter what happens, we go to heaven, where there is NO sin.

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Nina October 29, 2015 at 10:03 am

It’s curious how we are told to forgive our ENEMIES but God puts unbelievers in hell…for eternity no less. Which seems redundant. Another part of Christianity that makes no sense to me personally. It’s like putting a gun to a person’s head and saying ‘love me or I’ll blow your brains out’. Doesn’t feel like much of a choice. I guess that’s why it helps if your a happy Christian. Easier pill to swallow.

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josi November 6, 2015 at 12:33 pm

Nina,
Ask God to enlighten u thru his word…u are thinking in a worldview sense and not a biblical worldview…when this changes the lens will become clearer. God does not send anyone to hell…God did send his son Jesus to save us and he willingly chose to do so…what greater love is there then this? God could’ve made robots i suppose but one cannot have a relatioship with a robot so he gave us the freedom to choose…we chose wrongly and we must be held accountable…but even so God knew we could not even do this…God is a holy God thus requiring a holy lamb to pay for our indictments…which he did otherwise each and every one of us would be nailed to a cross…your choice to accept or not to accept Jesus atonement for your sins does not change the outcome, just as it didn’t for Jesus…when we die we have to go to one of two places…since Jesus has already atoned for your sins, what a tragedy it would be for you to die in them!

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josi November 6, 2015 at 6:46 pm

why wouldn’t you trust a God who went bf you, in suffering and in death?
http://discoveryseries.org/ten-reasons/in-a-god-who-allows-suffering/
But consider again the suffering of the One called by the prophet Isaiah, “a Man of sorrows (Jesus) and acquainted with grief” (Isaiah 53:3)

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Nii November 15, 2015 at 12:48 am

This is not a question to ask. Satan does not patrol the Earth because of God. He is here because of us! He wants more demons just as much as God wants more Angels. That means finding ways and means to recruit us to His cause. Freewill means we get to listen to them both and make a choice. That certainly means we are NOT babies or toddlers. We have a responsibility to choose wisely. No use whining. You have enough resources to choose.
And it is not as humans that we go to hell. In the after-life we are demons or angels. Demons to hell: Angels to Heaven. If they were human there will be goodness left to forgive. Forgiveness requires faith. Faith means believing there is good in a person. When that person has no good in him do you keep believing. That is naive.

Belle November 6, 2015 at 7:17 am

Nice. Threatening people with hell for expressing their pain. What if heaven doesn’t exist and all these supposed trips some individuals were taken on, are all a matter of subjective experiences? I certainly see how I’ve been threatened with hell since I was a child, and when I was 24, became a Christian because I was threatened with it again. What about people who, through no fault of their own, are born in regions/cultures/religions where the gospel is never preached? They never hear about Christ? I was socially conditioned into accepting the claims of Christianity. I grew up in a nominal Episcopalian family who could only talk about the end of the world and hell. I grew up with preachers on the street corner and preachers on the railway stations. I was dragged to church services. I do not know this supposed divine love and grace everyone is talking about. Even as a missionary, I was zealous for things I now understand were a total load of crap. Me losing my husband, my income, my home AND a baby is part of a good/perfect plan? Why should I go through all of this suffering? So someone else can learn from it? How many millions of people go through it that others can learn from? Why were we created when this suppposed God of yours could have wiped the slate clean with none of us in existence and consequently, none the wiser? Who knew we would be born into sin, and thus suffer? Is God an egoist? Is s/he a sadist? A masochist? Does s/he suffer from a hero complex? I can’t believe other people’s subjective claims of heaven and hell being real. I have never worshipped my considerable intellect, but it also means that I didn’t trust it. So lately, I’ve been putting it to work. And the only conclusion I can come to, is that there either is no divine being, or s/he doesn’t give a flying something bad.

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josi November 6, 2015 at 10:23 am

Hi Belle,
I understand what ur feeling…I use to think like u…but when i realized my thinking and vision were obscured, i met the Man who loved me and gave himself up for me. Yes, many mean Christians are out there mismanaging God’s precious word, many are within my own family. This article is an expression of how mismanaged the word of God is so i think it’s very important for you to understand that “Man” will mess up…the scripture, with Man nothing is attainable, but with God anything is possible …within His will, and not in our own. Keeping this in mind Yeshua WILLINGLY went to the cross and when we (all people) should have been nailed to it, Jesus came to set us free and take the punishment. So when you speak of suffering remember two things…1) No one will ever suffer to the point of which Christ suffered for us! and 2) Suffering produces something within us that would never come to fruition if life were a bed of roses. For one we would never know what we are capable of and two, we would be all about self and care nothing for those who suffer. We live in a fallen world of hatred social injustice and all kinds of evil…that we chose, as God has given us free will…everyone wants to blame God but God is who rescued us…He loved us that much!

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Opinion October 11, 2015 at 5:00 pm

If God has control over everything, he says he love me like a father to a son and he watching me over, and then I become a homeless and get cancer then he is not actually looking over my shoulders. Is not true. If I can not trust or rely on him or Christian people, then I don’t need to be part of anything. If good does not have a good plant for us, then I don’t need God in my life and do not want to have an eternal life. Since he could not make this life a lit be easier I doubt he will grant me an eternal life. I don’t need him in this one or the next one, all I have gotten is disappointments. So I will be happy to be on hell. Since he forgot everything one this one, He might fell as well to grant the hell!. . Everything I get from him is kick in my butt!! NO MORE, NO MORE ASKING, NO MORE BEGGING. IF GOT LIKES PEOPLE TO BEG HIM, THE HE IS AN ARROGANT ADN DON;T DEAL WITH AN ARROGANT GOD. I WILL HAPPILY GO TO HELL WITHOUT PRONOUNCING HIS NAME AT THE TIME OF THE DEPARTURE! HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT!

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Opinion October 11, 2015 at 4:50 pm

God says, ask me and I will provide with your needs.

I God has control over everything, he says he love me like a father and he watching me over, and the I become a homeless and get cancer then he is not actually looking over my shoulders. I not true. If I can not trust or rely on him or Christian , the I don’t need to be part of anything. i f good does not have a good plant for us, the I don’t need God in my life and do not want to have an eternal life, since he can beryl make this one alit be easier is very hard to believe he will give me an eternal life. I don’t need him in this one or heave I will be happy to be on hell. Since he forgot everything He my forgot as well I need to go to hell as well. Everything I get from him is kick in my butt!! NO MORE, MOOR ASKING, NO MORE BEGGING. IF GOT LIKES PEOPLE TO BEG HIM, THE HE IS AN ARROGANT!

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Josi October 11, 2015 at 5:00 pm

Dear Opinion
Jesus, the son of God, had no where to lay his head…He understands your pain…remember you will never suffer to the point of the horrible death Jesus suffered so that you can have eternal life…if you are thinking in this realm, you have not fully trusted in Him and him alone and you may have been wrongly taught, the very focus of this article…

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Mike October 17, 2015 at 1:20 pm

Tell that to that poor Guatemalan girl that was burned to death a few months ago, by her fellow savages in the village.

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josi October 17, 2015 at 1:26 pm

you mean like how Mary the Mother of Jesus had to stand by and watch her only son being slowly tortured to death for nine hours on a wooden cross…Jesus knows about that little girl bc he went bf her and bf all who suffer…he died for you and for me and for that little girl you mentioned…vengeance is mine saith the Lord Almighty!

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Nina October 29, 2015 at 10:05 am

Jesus was not Mary’s only son. Just saying.

Nii November 14, 2015 at 11:38 pm

I submit that the definition of faith as blind belief is wrong! Most people think believing in God means nothing but blessings and not believing in God as curses. The Apostle however tells us that it is not just believing that God exists that is faith but believing that He is a rewarder of them that dilligently seek Him. Was he talking of worldly rewards certainly NOT! He was talking of spiritual rewards such as the Fruit of the Spirit – faithful love, joyfulness, peaceableness, honesty, self-control, humility, etc. These allow us to have victory over whatever life may throw at us. This is the result of understanding John 3:16-“For God so faithfully loved the world, that He gave His only son born of a woman, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have the Divine Life”. That is the crux of the matter. Faith is a decision to believe you are loved faithfully by God or someone else no matter your circumstances. Faith in God that He faithfully loves you as Himself with all His Life is a plus to every life. It boosts your self-esteem more than loving yourself. It allows you to have faith in other people, friend or foe, that they faithfully love you as themselves no matter the circumstances. This helps you not to fear man and show him faithful love as required by the commandments. It allows the Divine Life (Holy Spirit) to operate within you and bear its fruit. Jesus did not have it easy on this earth. He however had the comfort of the Holy Spirit. God never had a plan to give you a relief from earthly suffering which the Apostle will tell you builds patience. I don’t know but I can assume none of us ever had to think that the punishments and other sufferings we went through did not teach us anything. We can type on computers today because we struggled to build the muscles necessary in our fingers. That is how suffering goes. If suffering means God is not good then our parents were wicked to put us through school too. I went to a boarding house for High School which is virtually a prison for boys with classrooms. That did not mean my parents hated my guts.
Once you understand that the belief that God faithfully loves you as Himself with all His Life is faith you will begin to manifest His Life within you. I see a lot of complaints on this board. Granted the world hurts. I have had my own. I suffer bipolar depression. My parents are dead. I don’t have money to get married. I have no girlfriend. I lost my job. Surely I should have committed suicide by now.
But as the Apostle said,”the faithful love of God constrains us”. With my firm belief that God faithfully loves me as Himself with all His Life and further declaration that my neighbor loves me as Himself with all His Life, I have been surprised by the help that comes my way each day. I don’t expect my sufferings to be over anytime soon.
I spent six years to complete a 4year engineering school so I know what suffering is. However I have understood a lot more of the Bible than I would have if I never suffered a hurt. Let us stop despairing. And focus on God’s faithful love for us. In fact faithful (AGAPE) love is given to us by God despites His disappointment at our sin. If we wish to be like Him then we must remember He has faith in us. Yes-He believes we love Him with all our Being. The commandment echoes this faith. He is full of this faith. That is why He is faithful and that is why He has faithful (AGAPE) love for us! He is only asking that we return a favour and enjoy its benefits. Life is terrible but God is not.

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Robert October 6, 2015 at 7:19 am

Well said. I have just one more but to add, Job kept his faith and was blessed. However, how many people have simply tried to be productive in any number of ways only to live their entire life in an obscurity of indifference. For whatever reason, regardless of their obvious ability, not one endeavor is blessed…and then they die. What use is a life if, regardless of efforts, nothing is accomplished. They took their talent, tried their best and nothing came of it. There was no burying, no laziness, just a lifetime of wasted effort, and yet they still believe.

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Jill Methvin October 4, 2015 at 12:21 pm

Chloe, this was exactly what I needed to read today. I can’t tell you how many times Job’s friends have come to call when life’s been tough. I wish I could say that I’ve never done the same to anyone else. You’ve certainly provided food for thought. Thank you and God bless.
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Seekeroftruth September 27, 2015 at 1:02 pm

Hi Chloe, I, as well as the previous poster would like to ask you to delete my comments as well. Thank you for sharing your article.

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Truth Sets Me Free September 26, 2015 at 6:08 am

Yeah, sometimes I feel like socking those prosperity preachers right in their shiny porcelain vaneers.

My God is a God of love and mercy. He doesn’t sit at some gameboard in heaven with his finger on my automobile sliding me into the rear end of the car in front of me. He doesn’t wave His magic wand and give me lung cancer. He does let me be human, with all its good and bad.

But what God offers me is His assurance of His perfect love. A love far superior than any human can understand. A love that He will never take away, despite how I react to Him. And this love gives me joy. A perfect joy emanating from His perfect love.

So when I’m confronted with illness or death or tragedy, deep in my heart–way below the layers of pain, suffering and depression–there is still perfect joy, because I feel His perfect love. It’s for everyone, whether you ask for it or not. Just tap into it.

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Old Joe October 11, 2015 at 5:04 pm

What is love without action? If your child was drowning and called to you while you sat idly by and watched the disaster happen, how would that be considered love? If we are made in His image, and He is omnipotent, how can we consider things like tsunamis- killing thousands of people, many of them children- loving? It’s absurd. Many christians will come to His defense saying it is our own sin that allowed these tragedies. But I would hold myself accountable if I didn’t offer a hand to a drowning man, and I am fallible. He put us here. He allowed the temptation that suckered Adam and Eve. And then he held us to a standard that He Himself cannot or will not meet. Why is this book still a bestseller?

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Average Joe October 18, 2015 at 8:38 pm

God doesn’t force us to believe He exists. He doesn’t force us to do the right thing. He doesn’t force us to live in sin or give into temptation. We believe what we want to believe, choose to do whatever seems right to us, and are really good at living in sin and giving into temptation. We believe God ought to never let anything bad (like death) happen…and that He is a bad God (or even evil) for not being the ideal God of our imagination. Sounds to me like too many people think they could do a better job than God. I have been created in the image of God and trust God completely to redeem those who realize that they are sinners and live in a world that has been ravaged by the consequences of sin. These people will be those that recognize who Jesus is and what He has done. God not only has a plan to redeem mankind, but to restore everything after Judgement Day when He will create a New Heaven and New Earth.

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JOHN, PAUL, GEORGE, RINGO September 21, 2015 at 12:00 am

If people didn’t have bad things happen to them, this wouldn’t be a website and I wouldn’t be writing this mess. The question of God’s existence should be why he gives other too much and others too little. And the tragedy that happens to people, if all of us would help one another, maybe the tragedy can be a lot easier for the person to deal with. I’m a believer in God, but he let me get unemployed and didn’t give me an job skills that can help, apparently. I’m for believing in God, because you have to yell at someone when you are sick of yelling at yourself and you find nobody listens.

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Dee September 20, 2015 at 10:07 am

Hey Chloe!

Nice post and I sure love all faiths. I am a person who doesn’t believe their is a loving God out there, but nothing drove me to lose faith except education. Honestly I am more at peace now. I was a Bible Instructor at my church did many Purpose Drive Life series and the faith just dissolved when I asked questions then. I cannot say an exact day. I love logic and honestly one must abandon logic when pursuing faith in any religion.
I LOVE people of relgious faith and support all people who believe and I’ve no ill feelings to anyone. I actually love more people now, and after visiting many countries of the Buddhist background they are very loving and kind and giving.
I have been very close to death and the thought of reaching out to God never even occurred to me. I accept life and death in whatever conditions.
I’ve learned that it is not circumstances but decisions that shape our destiny and if you believe God leads you to make decisions, I applaud you!
I know who I am and love me!
Thanks for letting me share! In love and kindness. “Dee”

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jeff September 13, 2015 at 7:49 am

God is Spirit and truth. The truth.
The Truth lives in you.
We know that there are only 2 types of people, those who live in the light of truth and those who dont.
We are persecuted to death for the sake of Christ, the Truth, The Way, the Life. Because darkness does not understand true love. Darkness is self serving and self absorbing. Light is radiant and illuminates all and is bendable and it radiates energy.
Christ is the light of the World and lives in us. As we seperate from the world to become more like the light and less like the darkness, we encounter distractions and hurdles to prevent us from changing. The world doesn’t want you to abandon pursuit of greed and selfish ambituon, the world is built by greed and selfish ambition. Of course Christians will have difficulties being Christ like. But all these difficulties are external stimulus to the person. But here is the good news, you are a son and daughter of God, a brother of Christ by receiving the new birth of the Holy Spirit of Truth within you. As you have faith in Christ and his power to transform you, you become more and more separated from the mechanics of the world. The desire for many things that were selfish become the desire to give to those in need. And we find there is literally no end to those in need. But we experience the Holy Spirit in our lives by giving and loving others.
And to those who will empty themselves of the world and die to the world, they shall be filled with the Holy Spirit deeper and richer and more powerfully so that they become ambassadors of Christ, disciples who will be destroyed by the world as every prophet of God has been destroyed in the past. Life as a Christian..I like Gods olan. For my life. But I know that in dying to the world I have convicted the world by God’s Holy spirit of truth and so the world judges me an enemy, an alien and will seek to destroy me as it has done to every true disciple of Christ. But for the joy of Christ.
Hebrews 12:2 “Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

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Nii September 5, 2015 at 4:43 pm

I live in Africa and can assure you that here the prosperity gospel is equally rife. One thing I learnt is that faith is believing God loves you. I have survived a lot of suffering by just constantly reminding myself that God loves me. Yes indeed we are not meant to have it all rosy in terms of circumstances but if we keep believing Christ message that God loves us then the Peace that transcends all understanding will be ours because God’s Life will be in us as John 3:16 says. I pray for relief from this world’s suffering but I know God is with me no matter what cos He loves me.
The problem I see is that instead of humbly believing God loves them a lot of Christians are becoming Pharisees because they believe they love God. We are supposed to believe He loves us which faith expresses itself as love. Its a mistake to believe We love God by which we then demand His love and worship. We become hardhearted as a result.
Believe God loves you. That is faith. Nothing else.

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Truth Sets Me Free September 26, 2015 at 6:13 am

right on !

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HA September 5, 2015 at 10:47 am

Every knee will bow . Correct.

You are rebuking an article in which the author indicates that she has personally witnessed people renouncing their faith when hard times come because they were led to believe they would be protected from calamity if they had enough faith.
It is commentary on something that has happened. Do you also rebuke football scores and election results as they are reported? That’s just weird.

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God's Child September 4, 2015 at 6:50 pm

I rebuke this entire article in Jesus’ Name! you have no idea what you’re talking about, and rest assured, atheism is a temporary heart condition. It is written: in the end every knee WILL bow to God alone, on the earth, in heaven, and below the earth!

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anon. September 1, 2015 at 4:51 pm

What about those who’ve already had a horrid life til their belief in Jesus, how is that supposed to work? And when I say horrible life, I do mean this-and not anything one would have brought on oneself-just plain horrible life stuff that happens, to far too many people to count!

What about them?

What is prosperity, really? I mean to say, regarding this post, are you just speaking on the so-called American ‘dream’ that is just pablum for the masses? and so the church follows suit, and so on, and so on…I don’t get this. Sorry!! I do like the idea of how terrible it is to be all superstitious about it, and how other churchie-member-onlies will usually abandon ship in that oh-so special case-they really do..and more than that. Who wants to hang around sick, poor, or severely depressed-gasp-Christians!! No!!!!!! But then again, I am not one who should be judging someone’s choice to bail. It could be for a very good reason…maybe? Probably not, but one never knows…

It’s so sad that the church can’t just be a beautiful utopia with Jesus people helping one and another out in the community. This makes me want to read James again..’you ask but you ask amiss…’

What of the verses that so many misguided do good-ers tend to quote, OT style, (of course!) in that Jesus will ‘restore what was lost’ or ‘give you beauty for ashes?’ not that I ever believed these literally, but what about it? What do you think about that? I realize your point in writing this-I think I do…I guess, it’s just the whole phony church culture or Christianese thing..but, what about people who really have been blessed? Are they just going to die in the second death? So now they are fine…but later they will be far from Him?

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nick August 30, 2015 at 4:57 pm

Christianity is an enslaving doctrine like all other faiths!! Beleiving in it merely makes you concious of a God that is not there but merely made up. It takes away your logic your power and your grace!! Its a desease that destroyes the mind and dissapoints!!

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Linda Manning August 26, 2015 at 4:15 pm

This was good X cep shit head, true though, any way , what you said is
All in the bible, well said, maid me l aff about it being your own
Dam fault, sorry this is sloppy take care

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Jessica August 26, 2015 at 11:10 am

Wow, a lot to take in! I agree with a lot of what has been said on both sides. See, I was like a lot of people. I thought that if I did all of the right things, gave my money in church and treated everyone kindly that I would have everything I prayed for. Boy was I in for a rude awakening. See, no one had ever taught me about faith and that you must work daily to keep your faith strong. I learned that religion was really my personal relationship with God and not with the church or the pastor of the church. I believe that God has a wonderful life for me, and that with this wonderful life will come ups and downs. I don’t need anyone to tell me what God has for me because I have my own relationship with him. I was once blind, but now I see.

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ray krause August 25, 2015 at 2:49 pm

All I began to hear upon reading this was the old, familiar country/western song, “I beg your pardon, I never promised you a Rose Garden.”

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caleb edwards August 22, 2015 at 7:12 am

You are lying that is the devil speaking right through you a dragon tattoo the devil satan Lucifer his form when he tries to take out jesus is a red Dragon we know who you are you need to repent ask god for forgiveness in the name of jesus

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Chloe Jeffreys August 22, 2015 at 5:53 pm

You don’t get out much do you, Caleb?

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HA September 5, 2015 at 10:39 am

Dangit, Chloe. I told you the SpongeBob tattoo was a better choice. Now you’ve got the devil talking out your abdomen. This can’t be good.

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Chloe Jeffreys September 5, 2015 at 10:42 am

Sponge Bob is of the devil.

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John August 17, 2015 at 10:57 am

I’ve been a Christian all of my adult life. I was saved when I was 18, and I’m 54 years old.

I believe that God/Jesus has a marvelous plan for our lives, but it’s not the plan that these heretic, false ministers tell you it will be.

I’ve heard many ministers say for over 30+ years that God has a marvelous plan for our lives, but the problem I have with that statement is the ministers saying that begin to outline exactly what the outcome of this marvelous plan will be! They always start out with financial prosperity, then comes great health, power and influence. Never have I heard a single minister say that a part of this marvelous plan is spiritual growth, and dare I say, spiritual health and spiritual wealth!

No, they don’t say that because it’s not profitable for their businesses, plain and simple. They waggle that insidious, “golden prosperity carrot” in front of the eyes of mis-guided Christians that are suffering various troubles that are looking for a quick Jesus-fix to end their suffering. I can say from years of spiritual experience and devastating losses and suffering that there is no quick Jesus-fix.

You have a choice to make during storms of adversity….you either hang on and ride it out in trust and faith…..or you don’t, it’s that simple. Don’t depend on friends and family to sustain you….my Christian friends and family members condemned my wife and I when our lives fell apart. If you have supportive Christian friends and family members, consider yourself extremely blessed.

My wife and I had everything taken from us four years ago. Our jobs got sent overseas, our home that we worked so hard for was taken and they towed our only good car right out of the driveway, and our retirement and 401k’s were stolen.

Prosperity will NOT make your troubles go away.

If you are reading Christian prosperity books trying to find answers, toss them out. Those books and the ministers writing them WILL NOT help you. Those Christian ministers on TV are lying to you. Get your nose into the word of God and accept no other outside teaching. Turn off the Christian TV programs and radio programs. If you want help from God then you HAVE to go directly to God and you do that through prayer and His word.

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josi August 17, 2015 at 11:35 am

John, I couldn’t have said it more plainly or have been more clear then what you have described here today. Our stories are similar and I should not be shocked but I must admit, I’m still reeling from it…The greatest tragedy is reaching out to the body/the church only to find that if you do not follow their guidelines you have no real help or hope at all, in any form or fashion. I do not believe in the structure of the modern day church which forces a person to comply to legalism and law in exchange for aid. This and numerous other questionable practices could turn this comment into a super long debate but what’s the point? I’ve seen enough with my own eyes so discussing such subjects is really moot, as many are still being deceived and are blind to truth…I have gone thru 5 long years of battling an illness alone…when everyone walked out, and that includes the church, Jesus walked in…the people that you are certain wouldn’t abandon you in a crisis most certainly will and you can bank on it. No church get’s it…Currently, I wouldn’t know how to act if someone from the church would visit me with food and an encouraging word and prayer but it’s not gonna happen…I have reached out to numerous churches with no luck…why? bc I am not a member and I don’t believe in it…I am a born-again believer in the Christ who came and gave his life for us! I need no label, no doctrine’s of men, no covenant with man…but still i suffer in silence, continuing, day by day, in need of assistance and go without my basic needs being met, food, water, care…I will not compromise my faith and belief in exchange for having my creature comforts met…I would rather go without! I don’t even think Ministers are aware of the direness of this plague, or maybe they are and are deliberately turning a blind eye, in which case is tragic! But still, they continue without a thought or concern…We are the Remnant, the called out ones! I pray God will call out more and they gather together with the ones suffering in silence, embracing one another in spirit and in truth!

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John August 17, 2015 at 2:08 pm

I can tell you that I understand fully what it is like to be abandoned by the church during difficult times. This is far from something new. Job was abandoned by everyone, except for his idiot friends that only made his life more difficult. But, God never abandoned Job and in the end God blessed him. When God rebuked Job in the Whirlwind, God never uttered a single word of judgement or condemnation against Job. Ministers seem to miss that when they preach about Job. God spoke to Job as a rebuke of correction. Something tells me that God had a smile on His face when He spoke to Job. Job just needed a little readjustment and a refocus. Sometimes is difficult to see or understand, but God is not the author of our adversity.

The church is being ravaged by the apostasy. It is inevitable that they would abandon suffering believers like they have already abandoned Jesus Christ. I pity these churches but I know that trying to correct them is like trying to raise the dead.

If you are angry with the churches and their people, don’t be. They are not worth it. Pray for them, pity them but leave them to God. He will handle them.

I’m praying that God will being true Christians into your life to help and encourage you. Please don’t hesitate to email me if you want to talk.

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josi August 18, 2015 at 2:13 pm

i guess that was something i needed to hear….but i am…looking back on what has occurred is still so disturbing…i thought minister were suppose to be servants to the flock, but instead they are fleecing and robbing God’s people…it’s all so much holy chaos i can’t even stomach it most times…and yet i want to serve and be a part of God’s family but not the way most churches have it structured…to me it’s criminal…there are no groups that have come out of her that meet where i am…even if it were only a few gathering it would be a blessing to me…i don’t know what i will do if i get sicker..i have no one to care for me…i am literally all alone in this..and i feel that is so sad and tragic….thank u dear brother for your encouraging insightful message…Josi

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Katie August 26, 2015 at 3:34 am

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Cherise August 21, 2015 at 9:25 pm

Very comforting……

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Katie August 26, 2015 at 3:11 am

I don’t know when You wrote this,I will check more here after I write to You, but I believe You are so right on about this,and You have really helped me! Just today I was saying to my fiance that I have had a very hard life and I don’t understand it I thought God had was supposed to have a good plan for my life.. thinking like that was just bringing me more down, but I didn’t really understand until I read what you said here. I am also in my fifties and I so appreciate you writing all that you did
You really helped me thank you so so much!!.. I hope and pray things are going better for you and your husband now God bless you!!!

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Katie August 26, 2015 at 3:17 am

I apologize John..I meant to say I hope and pray things are going better for You and Your wife! You have been truly a Blessing for many people here..Thank You so much!! Your True Christian Family sending You much love!

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Bree August 15, 2015 at 9:28 pm

Thank you for this post. I needed it very much tonight as my husband and I face a potential childless life after recurrent miscarriages and failed fertility treatment. I am dragging myself to church although the majority of women are SAHMs with 3-4 children. So it’s hard to not feel like God forgot about me. But, I do know he loves me and has his hand on me. A wonderful plan, though? If you mean in terms of character development and loving others, I think God uses our pain in a good way. But, the “wonderful plan” I grew up hearing about is definitely Anerican culture shaping interpretation of scripture. Picket fence, kids, a Labrador- that may or may not ever arrive for a Christian. It was not promised.

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Bonnie August 16, 2015 at 4:04 pm

I feel like I could have written this comment. <3

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Julieanna August 11, 2015 at 8:43 am

You have a very good read here. I have been a Christian since I was a little girl. Jesus is my life. I always went to church. As I got older I got out of the swing of church but I still prayed and stuff. Trying to do good and all. Then bad stuff happened. My first marriage I had to go thru three miscarriages before I had my beautiful son. I couldn’t figure out why my babies died. But I never lost faith. My baby girl, Jessica Lynn December 24,1999. Christina Ray April 18,2000. And Dustin Phillip November 3,2000. My two daughters and son. I was early term almost to second term but still trama. But I still love God no matter what. I went thru a rough time in 2008 and went thru a horrible divorce soon after that. Not to drag on but God pulled me thru and I am now remarried and I have Jesus to help me and I know a lot of people don’t know or love him but I give Him my life because He gave me His life. And He gives me so many chances because I mess up. He saved my life I am a Suvivor. And I love my unsaved family and friends. Those are the ones to care for too. We are to love everyone no matter who they are or where they come from. I don’t care who they serve or don’t serve I am going to love them. And I will help anyone in the best way I can. I am medically down but I won’t give up on my Faith. I know one day I will be well again.

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peter August 6, 2015 at 11:16 pm

It is true that a lot of people are disappointed with Jesus for not answering their prayers and HE has very good reason not to. Would you keep helping someone who keeps hurting you ? …well, most Christians have this stupid belief that they can get away with anything if only they go to church and pray regularly. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Any church telling you that our God is a loving God and will forgive and accept you just the way you are is lying…because that is not true. What is more important to Jesus is repentance and turning your back on sin. The bible clearly states that Jesus loved sinners because he came to bring them to repentance but he hated liars and hypocrites. When we ask Jesus for help, we often do it as a last resort…when everything else fails. Even then, we expect it to be a one way street…HE gives and we take. Now if only it were so easy, we would be living in a perfect world. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way. In order to receive, we need to give something in return. We need to look deeper into our own lives and change what we know is wrong in God’s sight. It’s not possible to be perfect and Jesus does not expect a score of 10/10 from us. But there are so many things that are wrong and immoral that we can change as well as so much of good that we can do but don’t. So the next time you pray, remember that it a two way street. You change your life for HIM and he will keep his side of the deal. Just praying without meaning it or making a path for HIM to enter into your life is like shouting in an empty cave….all you will hear is your own echo.

peter m

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josi August 7, 2015 at 6:30 am

Peter, you are wrong !…The real tragedy here is what is being taught!! true converts know the joy that has been given and that is the work that Jesus did at the cross and his shed blood…but the many false teachings say “live your best life now” or “name it and claim it”… I have a family FULL of BLIND GUIDES believing they are saved when they are not and being greatly deceived…Deception is everywhere and if your not checking yourself against scripture to see if you are truly in the faith, you are treading dangerous waters! If you are beholding to anything/anyone for your salvation, you are being deceived. This idea of give and take is false teaching…when God gets a hold of us, you are his and a true convert will be so in love with Jesus that all the rest will just flow out of the pure love we feel in our hearts for the one who rescued us! We don’t have to do anything! God does it all…So test everything! There is great deception looming ! Things like “The Secret” or “The Sinner’s Prayer” are just two examples of being deceived which is very damning! Look into the roots and history of where these things originated from…Read the Word of God, that is the only way…being a Christian is not easy my friend bc if you are truly converted, Satan will Pounce! We have already received our great Reward! Jesus declared, Apart from me, you can do nothing…with Man nothing is possible, but with God anything is possible, according to his will ! Let the blind Man see..Amen

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Britt Hanson August 5, 2015 at 5:42 am

Thank you. That was very rich.

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Gabriella July 16, 2015 at 8:15 am

Romans 5, Let us rejoice also in our sufferings knowing that pressure and affliction and hardship produce patient and unswerving endurance. And endurance develops maturity of character (approved faith and tried integrity) and character [of this sort produces [the habit of] joyful and confident HOPE of Eternal Salvation. -amplified version
When I birthed and lost my daughter in the same day let me just say nothing compared to this persistent pain. Nothing anyone said or tried to do changed the tragedy of my baby girls life now gone. It felt unreal and absolutely a hoax. The only thing i did have was hope..in her, the memory of her within me and the hope in where she now was, forever. But that did not satisfy the NOW, you know what i mean? that “instant” . The anger, hate, pain, thoughts, regrets became colder and colder what i can look back now and say by the minute increasing in darkness and not caring to get out of it. I was so comfortable with feeling miserable. I even believed i deserved to feel that way until i died. I’m sure dying in my sin and opposition of God and Jesus Christ is just half of what satan desired from me the other half was taking the very life God gave me, through it. Let me tell you i did not care to hear anything about the Lord if you talked about Him i’d tell you piss off and pass me another bump type sh;t. Hurt a lot of people in the pain and did not get a chance to recognize the hurt until after re-dedicating my life to the Lord asking Him to take it all away, well receiving salvation what i believed was the first time but my pops said it was a re dedication but i’m like nah dad i truly believe it was different and so real. I respect the church but it was in my room at home, and i believe it was for a purpose. This room was the place mourning took place where grief set up camp where i did whatever pleasured me for a few moments only to not help me refrain from weeping and cursing at G-d. Yet it is in these very places He can change that brokenness and bring us out of the darkness. Luke writes of Jesus encounter with the people in the synagogue: ” And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And he opened the book, and found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he anointed me to preach good tidings to the poor: He hath sent me to proclaim release to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.
John 3:34
For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.
John 9:39
Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.” That is what FAITH is, to live by faith and not by sight! it is a beautiful complex heart decision that our own thinking will try to persuade us out of believing..but stand firm, guard your mouth, ask the Lord to heal you of anything that treats others as insignificant or leads you to doubt His authority. Believe me i know it is very hard and to look around you the world we inhabit has so much destruction, chaos, hate, so much evil in it. I don’t believe Jesus is an idol i believe He was Word made flesh and from beginning to the end is in battle with God on the same team…. to defeat satan and his principalities for whom? mankind. he lost his light because of sin and was cursed for all to see and Jesus was brought to ignite that which satan stole from us, Jesus redeemed us, His salvation mediates us with our Father, it’s like having two sons and one hates you because he can’t accept that you are father because he desires to be father, he wants to be in control. i leave you with one of my favorite passages from John 20
“Jesus said to him, because you have seen Me Thomas, do you now believe ( trust, have faith )? BLESSED are THOSE who HAVE NEVER SEEN ME AND YET BELIEVED” BELIEVE- adhere, trust and rely on. This is for ALL of US! and it gives me that much more assurance we ALL are promised LIFE even if tomorrow were to never come….we will wake up with our creator! Just believe. Our mind thinks logically and everyday i struggle allowing my mind to try and pulling me down but i refuse and fight back by clinging to Gods word, few months ago I said the hell with it but i can’t apologize for the faith i’ve gained through this fight. WE all go through pain but just TRUST, take it one day at a time. If i am still breathing then i will testify on what i know that i know it was the Lord and not my endorphins or a chemical imbalance that effects the way i think and that is why, i believe it was Jesus i encountered with my eyes closed in my room not at a revival or amongst congregation “But in my distress I cried out to the LORD; yes, I prayed to my God for help. He heard me from his sanctuary; my cry to him reached his ears.” did not care or want to ever say thank you Lord, for what? but oh how things can change and families can be mended through faith and the persistent prayers of those who desire heaven on earth for ALL. There were people praying that i did not even care for in my suffer, o but our daddy is great! [It is] the Spirit of God that made me [which has stirred me up], and the breath of the Almighty that gives me life [which inspires me] – Job 33:10
2 Corinthians 4:18 “Since we consider {and} look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen; for the things that are visible are temporal (brief and fleeting), but the things that are invisible are deathless {and} everlasting. ” the unseen is eternal the seen is temporary, our minds tell us don’t YOU it is not “logical”, and if it ain’t happening then it ain’t real because my eyes need to see it….. but our spirit our heart battles on Gods behalf whether we believe or not why would it say believe with your heart & speak with your mouth two against one…the mind. The battle will always be in our minds. but Jesus said ‘JUST BELIEVE’….great is our God who sees our heart and knows our being. We belong to Him 🙂
I don’t think we should be pointing fingers remember now bros and sis we point a finger and we have three pointing back at us. I don’t think she is wrong or lost i believe she has her reasoning. Just like we all do! Thank you for sharing with us Chloe I like your friends believed strongly this way after losing my daughter.

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grace July 25, 2015 at 9:02 pm

Gabriella, I am so sorry for your loss. I am taken aback by your story. I would love to speak with you.

Please let me know if you’d be open to a friendship. Are you on Facebook?

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josi July 26, 2015 at 12:19 pm

Gabriell, I’m eading your story thru water-shed filled eyes…Oh, how cocky and prideful i was and oh my how i had my life all planned out until Jesus happened upon it…Not so fast say’s the Lord Almighty…I, too, crashed right into Jesus, or better, He crashed into me is more like it!…I had been ignoring him my entire life, even shaking my fist at him and cursing him, hating him for how my life turned out…My precious Lord knew what needed to take place in my life for him to reach me, to get my attention, to begin to take him seriously, to place my trust only in Him…Gabriella, our stories are very similar…..I came to Christ in 1975, or did I? Many would have me to believe I did, and that is where it can get eternally dangerous and cost us our very souls, but whose going to be courageous enough to tell you this, not a pastor…I tried that and they won’t do it bc they have too much to lose if word get’s out they are preaching true gospel…False teaching by Men is something you have to be open too bf the Lord will show you it’s corruption…What I learned from God is Christ Jesus is your only way…Man cannot give you salvation but they do give you many formula’s…Salvation is personal and intimate and comes only by and thru God. I may have known of him on that Easter Sunday in 1975 but i was not born-again and this is what Man will not tell you, why? bc it alters the number!…You search it out on your own and not thru a formula way of salvation… but thru God and his Holy Spirit gospel teaching you that Jesus is the only way…an alter call, a ritual, church membership, tithing, works etc. and anything related to Man’s Way is not authentic…It took God stripping me of everything I knew was familiar to get me still enough, long enough, to listen and to trust in Him…and that is another aspect you will not be taught in church…Salvation is of the Lord, not Men…God’s timing is everything and you will come to him in his way and in his time, genuinely, authentically. Sitting in my apartment with no furniture to sit on, no job to go to, no fiance to run to, no money to save me, and dying…yes, you heard me right, i was dying of cancer. The season of life was just perfect for God to rush in and rebuild…I had just discovered that morning, two massive lumps under my armpit…the diagnosis, stage four cancer…the prognosis, uncertain! I am confident when i tell you that God took over my life, literally from that point on…but He cannot do that until we are “bare-boned” and have nothing to cling to but HIM…many would argue it is not possible to be saved outside a church building, many would also suggest that i was saved at 11…but i beg to differ…they will not admit it bc there is so much false teaching in our midst that we are being fed lie upon lie upon lie even to the destruction of our very souls…We have become too blind to see that we are believing in a blind faith. Idolizing our pastors, our ministries, our churches over God’s purpose and plan. There is no more room for God in a man-made church and they know it..I had never heard a minister tell me that “Salvation is of the Lord” the Lord himself showed me this, He confirmed me thru the reading of His word….me reading it not me listening to a man at the pulpit…How sad but true this really is….So if you are wondering about church, numbers, members, statistics, profit, status, position, power, false teaching and yes, even a building can be polluted, then u are correct to assume that something is amiss!…Most ministers do not have your soul in mind, it’s their wallet, prestige, and power and this is why so many are on the broad path that leads to destruction…brain-washed-many i love are under this powerful spirit of disillusionment…they can’t, or they just flat out refuse to believe or acknowledge that their minister could be evil…The church is in Apostate! And they are and they can be false!….The Lord God tore me down to nothing so that he could rebuild in me, who He is…and that my friend is will take to get you saved, just read about the Apostles, they knew their great reward was already fulfilled in Christ, not prosperity preachers preaching tithe and you will be blessed, what Hogwash!! But people are buying into this garbage…many will spit on Chloe’s article but she is spot on with what she is describing here…very sad indeed, we need to wake up and take God at his word, not our pastors!…The Lord God almighty brought me back from the brink of death, not just a physical death but a spiritual one. He provided for me in every way and saved me in every way…When everyone walked out, Jesus, the son of G-d walked in! and my life has never been the same…we must go thru the wilderness experience to find the real messiah…many are believing in a made up false Jesus..i use to be one of them…i am telling my story for two fold reason, one is bc of the depth, height and width of the false teachings that are in our midst… and two bc there is only one Father, one son Jesus Christ who paid it all, one Holy Spirit who does the works of the Father thru Jesus and only one Gospel that say’s “believe upon the name of the Lord and thou shalt be saved”, that’s it! and God will do the rest…In 1975, on Easter Sunday, I met a man called Jesus and followed what the “ministers” told me to say and do, so ritualistic and formulated is their way of salvation it’s almost ludicrous!…after one night of soul winning and not at all taught in the truths of the gospel, but just a number really so that pastors could boast on their message boards that many have come to salvation is, ghastly reality being staged in many churches even today.. i was told what to say and do.. this is not a predictor or confirmation of the new man bc no man can confirm a heart they cannot see or read….i was not given the true gospel, i had confirmed by false teachers, if i had been given the truth, i would not have lived such a heathenish life and that is the evidence of poorly presented, false teaching and what shocks me the most is they don’t even come after you, they let you go!…Under the guise of Men, how is it i could possibly know Jesus? Sadly, my life fell apart and for years subsequent to my being born-again, I lived like a heathen and didn’t give God the time of day!…That is not being born-again, so i tell you again…Salvation is of the Lord, not Men…they don’t bring it, they don’t give it…they tell it but they are not telling it right! The correct gospel teaching will change a person and “Man” allowing God’s spirit to move and operate, is key…what church does that today, none! instead, they put a heavy yoke on believers and have excused Christ as head of the church…my heart grieves for the goings-on in church today… I now understand and realize what being born-again is…not one Man could have told this to me…bc it is a mystery and a powerful work of the Lord God almighty and Men so desperately want credit for it…I pray a blind faith be replace with genuine authentic glorious salvation believing upon Jesus and only Jesus and what he accomplished at the cross…not Man formulated salvation

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Jeramy July 14, 2015 at 10:48 am

John 14:6 KJV

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Romans 12:9-21 KJV

Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Jeramy July 14, 2015 at 10:45 am

You are really lost! Knowledge congress from fearing God! Thise who speak blasphemy will still be judged by God. 2 Peter 2:20-22 KJV

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

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Leslie July 11, 2015 at 1:44 pm

Awesome! Well said! Bravo!

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christian June 27, 2015 at 9:28 am

hello. im chirstian..means i read bible all already.

Jesus is born to bring understanding about God to us that is in the world.

He is light. but world dont know Him. Dont understand His points.

Bad things also happened to Jesus.. mocked, rejected by His own siblings, called satan by His own people that should welcome Him well in this world, wanted to be killed by king Herodes before He is born. So dont surprised that Jesus born in our hearts is also an struggling. it has meanings to believe in God is impossible for us but possible for God.

He is also experience abandoned by His own disiples. Abandoned by Father God also.
dont we always feel there is no God?

but the different is He believe even though not see the grace. even in pain and distress.
Human believe in what they see. means have no faith.

it is all tests from God.
do you believe in God even in great pain? like there is no fair or shit happened every day?

i tell you.. Jesus suffer more than most of us.
But He just still believe in both life and death.

so this all show how our faith of God

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Emm June 26, 2015 at 9:20 pm

Matt. 5:1-12
5 Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them.

The Beatitudes
He said:

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
NOTE:
If theres v.12b probably it would be… “Then the disciples asked what about those who has good job, nice cars, big houses…
then 12c. Jesus answered verily verily i say those did not make the cut.

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Daniel June 27, 2015 at 6:44 am

Maybe the most important verse in the bible is: “God is no respecter of persons.”

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Seekeroftruth June 23, 2015 at 4:22 pm

This is a reply to a comment by Josie about people misunderstanding what Jesus meant about paying others for the Word (ministers). Josie, after studying this for a long time and feeling as you do,seeing the abuse thAt resulted in false beliefs about paying others for truth, I would like to add another one to your list of scriptures thAt no one ever seems to recognize. This may help explain why it is that when you really need someone just to be there and love on you, you become disappointed and why so many are leaving the churches. At leAst it does for me. Here it is:

Jesus said in John 10: 11-13 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep. 12 But he that is an hierling aNd not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep, and flees: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth because he is a hireling and careth not for the sheep.

The hireling which in today’s speech is one who is paid to take care of the flock. He cares for the paycheck more than the flock.
This has helped me a lot and thank you Josie for the ones you gave e also.

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Seekeroftruth June 23, 2015 at 5:02 pm

This is a reply to a comment by Josie about people misunderstanding what Jesus meant about paying others for the Word (ministers). Josie, after studying this for a long time and feeling as you do,seeing the abuse thAt resulted in false beliefs about paying others for truth, I would like to add another one to your list of scriptures thAt no one ever seems to recognize. This may help explain why it is that when you really need someone just to be there and love on you, you become disappointed and why so many are leaving the churches. At leAst it does for me. Here it is:

Jesus said in John 10: 11-13 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep. 12 But he that is an hierling aNd not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep, and flees: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth because he is a hireling and careth not for the sheep.

The hireling which in today’s speech is one who is paid to take care of the flock. He cares for the paycheck more than the flock.
This has helped me a lot and thank you Josie for the ones you gave e also.

Also, in reading the other posts, Paul said the things he wanted to do he didn’t do and the things he didn’t want to do those are the things he did. But read what he says after that.

We always need The Saviour. I know I do. He paid with his life. I hope that I could do that. But, I. Have to be truthful and say that I don’t know me like He does. I don’t think we will ever reach a point where we don’t need The Saviour. That seems to be self righteousness.

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Josi June 23, 2015 at 6:58 pm

seekeroftruth…i like ur name…thank you for your encouragement…i felt so unsettled in my spirit for so long about the conditions around me while in church….it really affected me….i am far from perfect…i know the broken creature that i am..when i finally came to the end of myself, He then used that and opened up my eyes….when u got nothing u got nothing to lose (sorta like the early Christians)it anguishes me that we (the church) has left it’s first love…when we set all tangible things aside, what is left…Jesus is what is left…and that is when we realize our great reward…what Jesus did! He is our great reward and he deserves ALL the glory…to Him be the glory…i pray more become “seekeroftruth” like u and me. what you said about the sheep really framed it for me and yet the sheep leaving who desire to be in the flock, are dangerously being scattered abroad risking being ravaged and ripped to shreds..what i mean is we desire to belong, but not at the expense of death by false prophets and wolves, as you so eloquently proclaimed. So then, we must put on the Full Armor of God to dispell any and all darts of the deceivers and destroyers!….blessings, In Christ! Josi

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seekeroftruth June 23, 2015 at 7:21 pm

Josie, it sounds as though we have been on the same path. Bless you! I can relate to what you are saying.

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Josi June 23, 2015 at 8:09 pm

Bless you too my friend!

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seekeroftruth June 23, 2015 at 7:27 pm

Sorry for misspelling your name. Predictive text changed that.

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hiltrishwes June 23, 2015 at 5:11 am

Dear Ms. Jeffreys,
It is good that you are thinking about this stuff. I have been a Christian all my life, and I have gone through many difficulties, I have known that the testing of my faith is one of the ways that God makes his children grow in patience (see the book of James) and when I go through other bad times, I remember that Peter said God disciplines those He loves like a father disciplines his children. And of course, we all know Psalm 23 where David reminds us that God is with His children even in the valley of the shadow of death.
When people leave something they didn’t believe in in the first place I don’t think it is all that bad. And honestly, it sounds like the churches they are leaving are not teaching them God’s word. Maybe there is still hope for your friends who say they are atheists, for them to actually know the true God. We all need to read our Bibles and be in fellowship with true Christians who are praying for us. Don’t lose heart sister, keep praying for these people and try to get them back to square one (and maybe urge them into a better church) in the meantime, you keep reading your Bible.

Christianity starts off with the person confessing their sin, it requires worship of God, and a life of obedience to His will, it sounds hard, but Jesus says his commands are not burdensome. I really do believe the secret to a happy walk with God comes from trusting Him and obeying Him. No matter how terrible life can be, when we set aside our glory and focus on God, we’ll have treasure waiting for us in heaven. Jesus tells us not to store up treasure on earth anyway. If our live are doing what we want and calling Him Lord, and he takes away earthly treasures, then we should ask ourselves, why we didn’t obey him in the first place.

Things are always better when we trust and obey.

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Daniel June 18, 2015 at 4:16 am

I’m sorry but you’ve got it all wrong. God does have a plan for our lives, but it does NOT always mean it’s a ‘good’ one overall. God blesses us with joy when we follow him. Yet, being blessed doesn’t always mean wealth, power and fame etc, the “American Dream” doesn’t bless you by God. God is here to guide us to Heaven through whatever happens in life, whether good or bad. Yes bad things like a son dying all of a sudden but that’s God’s test for us!! Because after all, He cares for all those who want to go to Heaven, so he’ll deliberately test our faith by putting in these ‘roadbumps’ of life. Any questions?

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Golden-Rights June 17, 2015 at 9:06 pm

And for all of you, regardless of what you face that seems to look hopeless or maybe a lost cause where you shouldn’t even try?

Remember to be grateful for having a great home, and plenty of food provided. There are millions of people who don’t have that, and to have that because God looks out for you is one of the greatest blessings in this world.

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Golden-Rights June 17, 2015 at 9:04 pm

Yeah I don’t think so, Jesus does not have a plan for anyone’s life and its triple true he doesn’t have a wonderful plan promised for you.

He did promise just the opposite….that you will be “prepared to face the trials of the day” as a lion faces the jungle…and he has never taken one word back.

I consider I’m even lukewarm on religion, I got plenty of prosperity, but I follow his wise teachings every single day in every way ever possible.

And what am I grateful for after all this?

I’m grateful that I have a roof over my head and food to revitalize me! That’s what I am grateful for always to my Heavenly father and the lord as well. Because every thing else plain doesn’t matter.

I help others too, as after all they say no rich man can enter heaven yet I see myself as the opposite of all other rich men……..since he did say, there is a few exceptions. Prosperous men who repent do enter heaven!

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Etta June 18, 2015 at 6:56 am

I’d like to jump on the back of your comment and with love and rebuke say how sad it is that churches are breeding wimpy Christians…one’s who constantly need milk and their pastors to nurse them. If they would teach the pure word and not sugar coat it then we would all understand what this thread is really all about, “false teaching” and your comment nailed it. There are too many ill-fated Christians just within my own family who are sold out on prosperity false teaching and of the”felt need” crowd. Real suffering produces the character of God. So how is it that we suffer? When God decides to remove everything in your life so that you will fix your gaze on Him, that is how he draws us to him, we cannot be drawn when we are dependent on the things of this world…Whenever I hear a Pastor vocalize “That Jesus has a wonderful plan for your Life” i grow sick bc if we will admit the realities of all this and understand just how the early church was persecuted and suffered to the point of death, how many people would actually be getting saved. Put on the full armor of God and prepare for battle. Can you imagine how the modern day church would be reborn in America if we were all standing side by side and a militant was demanding a life for a life similar to what’s going on with ISIS? How many would be willing to give up their very own life for the cause of defending the faith? You can barely find one that would give up a space in the corner of ones home to help a member of the family overcome the suffering and loss while going thru a life threatening illness….not one family member in my entire household would help me if I were facing homelessness….and they are all Christians! Hmmmm, that’s been my experience and I am better for having suffered for it bc I am no longer that baby needing milk, thru this I’ve turned to the one who is the Great I AM…the only one who provides…the only one who saves!!

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shirlyn June 3, 2015 at 8:42 pm

So true! We say we are “blessed” to have things, health, friends, etc. in the beatitudes Jesus said we’re blessed when we are poor in spirit, mourning, persecuted, etc. Hmmmm.

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Josef Sefton May 18, 2015 at 3:02 am

Jesus is a wonderful person and wonderful people have wonderful plans!

Why did He allow Himself to die on a cross? It was in order to offer you and me the opportunity to believe on His atoning sacrifice.

One of His titles is Wonderful. Truly He is a womderful Counselor. Seek Him, for He is the Teacher of teachers and study His teachings and learn how wonderful a person He is. Say Yes to the most wonderful adventure of all.

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Martin May 12, 2015 at 3:24 am

LOL. It is EASY to love you wife/husband, country, state, town, job, when times are good. It is the bad times that test what you are made of. Chloe, your friends are not made of much.

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Ryan June 14, 2015 at 10:34 pm

I thought the same thing…
Since when did people begin to believe that ‘I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves’ really means – God is Santa Claus here to give you your euphoric / fairy tale existence because you’ve been a ‘good boy/girl’…
smh
Kool-Aid anyone? The Hollyweird wannabe crowd is giving out tankers full! Just ignore those silly warning labels and come get you an aristocratically big cup! (…or off to the gulags for you)
#empiricallyblind

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Martin May 12, 2015 at 3:10 am

God NEVER had a wonderful plan for your life. If ye were of this world, the world will love it’s own. But I have chosen you OUT of the world. So the world hateth you. Jesus was born, lived, rejected, and died. We will be born, live, proclaim faith, be rejected and die. In the Christian frame, many are called, few chosen. And those friends of yours that lost their faith: The never had faith. They likely never knew much about God at all.

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dave April 16, 2015 at 7:19 am

God does have a good plan for your life … simply put if you have a few thoughts in your head … some can be from the devil … very depressing destructive sometimes lustful addictive thoughts you know what I mean … God/Jesus exposes the devil as a liar and explains that the devil comes to kill steal and destroy … so in a way he does have a good plan for your life as apposed to the devil who has an obvious bad plan for your life. Does that mean that good things will always happen to us if we follow Christ obviously not but how we react to them makes a big difference and sometimes it could be thank God for unanswered prayers which really means if your prayers don’t line up with God they won’t be answered no matter how difficult that may seem.

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Leo April 14, 2015 at 5:14 am

What Did Ancient Church Fathers Believe About The Rapture! 😉
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Marc Wildman April 2, 2015 at 11:22 pm

Hello

I am sorry my initial ‘knee-jerk’ reaction was consternation accompanied by heavy pharyngeal laughter. Not giggling at this column as quite possibly it is one of the most straightforward, candid manifestos I have read in years.

Without further brouhaha, as they say down under, I believe this missive to be ‘spot’ on.

Thanks for being so ingenuous and candid!

I do think this conceptualization is also covered under the scripture that says ‘all things work for the good’.

For far too long the church has been embarking and presupposing that God wants us all to live in palaces, enveloped by protective moats, and they couldn’t be more off base when paying tribute to such a hypothesis, or should I say a misnomer?

God will use any means to teach, propagate, and build his saints and more often than not; this means the crucible and or refiner’s fire.

People like mongrels often return to their own vomit and so need frequent incentives to do otherwise.

~MW

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Keitha March 29, 2015 at 8:38 am

I do not like your spin on your article. You are forgetting an important element. When you are babes in Christ, it is important to know that God has a good plan for you life. As you mature, and I emphasize mature, you begin to understand that God is no respecter of person….good and bad things happens to all of us, but those of us who have matured in Christ know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose. It states clearly His purpose. No matter how deep the pain, there is an underlying them… pain, longsuffering etc. produces character. You begin to understand what is important in life and the one and only important thing that is the most important is you love of Christ. You do not need to bring negativity to Christianity to make your point. Religion does enough of that….it is all about your relationship to Christ.

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Josi March 29, 2015 at 9:56 am

Keitha: “You do not need to bring negativity to Christianity to make your point. Religion does enough of that”
Are you aware of what “Christianity” has done? I believe you should adapt yourself to looking at the big picture and not just the sphere of your own environment and experiences. “We claim the blood of Christ but fall way short of what scripture tells us. Churches everywhere in Apostate. False teachers abound with their prosperity message. The body of Christ being oppressed by it’s leaders. Pastors living high and lavish lifestyles on the backs and check books of their very own. If it is about our relationship with Christ, as you so poignantly say, then, if we are the body, why aren’t our arms reaching? Much Hypocrisy abounds and that is the theme and focus of this article. Do some study on the origins of the church…start with Emperor Constantine and how he despised the Jews and was determined to take the Jewishness out to the Jews in an attempt to divide the body of Christ. Discover how this early century leaders laid the foundation for generations to come, to worship and bow to paganism…The Easter Bunny! There is nothing Passover and Christ crucified about Isthar, which is a fertility goddess and one many Christians practice each year, Jesus superimposed! How offensive! Do you practice these pagan holidays? Consider all the hate history surrounding Christianity…The Holocaust for one. And who is responsible? Christians who are erecting a religion and false teachings and version of their Jesus and not the true Jesus, the one of the bible…Teachings in Churches are so watered down that our moral compass is slowly but surely dissolving away. It is the “Church in Apostate” who is responsible for the decaying of the moral compass. The word “Christian” no longer holds meaning like moral, obedient, set-apart. All one has to do is look to the likes of people like “Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar and it won’t take much to wonder why we are in the bad shape that we are in…Study the history of the early church, it’s origins and you will clearly be able to define and notice how we have come so far away from God and to a “Man’s Made-Doctrine and Traditions”…If you truly want to debate something worth debating, be informed first!

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Keitha March 29, 2015 at 4:05 pm

Josi,
I am very well aware of the history of Christianity. I taught history for many years and I understand the derivation of your disillusionment, but it has nothing to do with the word of God. Everything you are saying focuses on the frailties and infirmities of man. Yes, people have done awful things in the name of Christianity and people continue to do awful things in the name of Christianity. Jesus says: Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23″And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.
So it is clear, that God sent his son so you may have a personal relationship with God. You cannot work your way into heaven. We all have sinned and fallen short. There is not such thing as big and little sin. Sin is sin and trying to make a distinction is a trap that we all sometimes fall into which makes us self-righteous. I know for me, it is enough for me to get myself in order and I believe that everyone will have to be accountable to our Father and He is not going to ask you about what everyone did.

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Don April 16, 2015 at 10:28 am

In your regards to Christianity yes you are correct to say men have done horrible things in the name of Christianity but why not include other religions as well? Men have taken religion for hostage and used it for their personal gain and an excuse to do their horrible acts!
Whether it be killing or raping or molestation! Religion is a good thing! It is men that are the problem!

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Chloe Jeffreys March 29, 2015 at 4:50 pm

Are you suggesting that “mature Christians” in the name of positivity should obfuscate the truth to protect newer Christians from reality? And what then when these newer Christians discover that the rosy Christian glasses we’ve given them are a false truth? How then have we betrayed their trust?
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Keitha March 29, 2015 at 7:05 pm

By no means. The only point that I am making is that the Christian walk is a journey. I did not say anything in regards to not presenting the truth. It is just a matter of where you are in your spiritual journey. As a Christian, your battle is never against the world. That is why God sent his son to die for us because of our pure wretchedness. You are distinguishing big sin and little sin and there is no such thing. Sin is sin.

“And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?” (I Cor. 3:1-3)

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Don April 16, 2015 at 10:29 am

I think you have said it perfect!

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Martin May 12, 2015 at 3:14 am

No. We had a saying at my old church. Cheer up saints. It only gets worse.

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April June 14, 2015 at 9:27 am

Amen! Keitha! That is the truth of God’s Word! The devil is a liar.

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Charles Allen March 27, 2015 at 11:35 pm

Knowing that the truth deeply hurts, especially for those who live a life of falsehood. Although my story will be most disturbing to many Christians today, I sincerely hope that what I have to say will be understood of why I have turned by back on Christianity.
As far back as 1971 I was seriously searching for the truth, and promised myself that when I find the truth to life, I will follow that truth no matter the cost. Between 1971 and 1988 I searched through the many avenues of different beliefs and religions, including witchcraft, necromancy and divination. During this period I lived a comfortable life, having many friends and a good family.
In September 1988 I reached the avenue of Christianity and started attending Church services. I had a good well paid job and all just seemed to be working out just fine with the Church I joined. A few months past and the youth Pastor of the Church approached me and asked me to come and work for him in his Business venture, offering me double the salary I was earning. Being a Pastor I believed that he was a sincere person that I can believe and work for, so I accepted his offer and resigned from the Business I was working for at the time.
Only three days after working for this so called honest Pastor, I discovered that he was selling stolen goods and evading the Tax man.
Having a wife and four children to look after, I refused to get involved with this Pastor’s dishonesty and walked out. Now I have no job, no income and I have to please explain the situation to my wife and children. I decided to approach the head Pastor of the Church and I told him exactly what the youth Pastor was up to. His answer to me was; “The youth Pastor and I will come to your house and we will sought out the problem with you and your wife.”
When the head and youth Pastor arrived at my home, we all sat around the dining room table and I opened up and told the whole story over in front of the youth Pastor. The head Pastor then responded and told me and my, wife that it is the Christian way to forgive, and that is what we should do and get on with our lives. I asked the head Pastor how does he think I must take care of my family and where do I find another job? His direct answer was, that we cannot hold the Church responsible for our loss and that I must go out and look for another job. Before they left, the head Pastor reached into his pocket and took out some money and pushed it into my hand. It was not even enougjh to buy a loaf of bread and we were now destitute.
Being baby Christians, this was a great knock to my wife and I, which damaged our marriage badly. Three months later I lost my wife and my children, our furniture, our home and landed up on the street. What I know is, that the head Pastor and the youth Pastor of this well known South African Church group are still preaching their heads off, pretending to be the ministers of righteousness, while until this day I am still trying to pick up the pieces of my life.
Since this bad experience, I tried my best to hold onto the way of Christianity, but believe me the deeper I got into it, the more broken my life becane. One truth I have discovered about Christianity is, that the majority Christians live a lie, because they have absolutely no idea of what Loving thy neighbour as thyself is all about. In my struggle and many times of hunger, it was not the Christian that came to my help. No! It was unbelievers and even Muslims, that supported me in all the times of my desperate need. The only thing Christians did was to quote scriptures in the Bible and pray for me, which in my desperate times was worthless and a lot of trash covered with falsehood. If this is what Christianity is all about, then it is only blind fools that follow its way.

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Josi March 28, 2015 at 7:07 am

Dear Charles,
I’ll admit, I don’t have all the answers, but much like yourself, I too am bruised by the Church and what troubles me the most is it’s Leaders Approval of bad conduct. It is very likely that if this head Pastor could over look his assistant Pastors bad dealings, then what, if any, are going on with the Pastor in charge? The list of corruptions is endless yet know one from within the body of Christ is permitted to express their discontent such as in your case so what continues to happen in the mind of those belonging to the body is brainwashing and mind control. This is Apostate from within and why do you ask, aren’t more members coming forward to denounce such behavior? Two-Fold, Membership with benefits and oppression by it’s Leaders, simple facts no one is in a position to challenge. If you happen to be bold enough as you were, your are given such lame guidance and worse, shunned. Very likely scenario’s have happened to me but one thing we must realize is “with Men nothing is possible, but with God anything is possible. You placed your trust and energy into “Man” when we should be focusing on “God”. I believe that “church” has become nothing more then a social hook-up for the very things you got yourself involved with which is business propositions but it could be just about anything. When God said to gather, He meant to gather in “HIS NAME” for the building up of one another and to spur each other on in spirit and in love. For new converts and baby Christians, it is vital to be in the word so as to spot “false teachers” and their deception. This apostasy is rampant and everywhere and so many are blinded to it bc they are not discerned properly. Currently, I do not attend a church, not bc I don’t want to but bc I am extremely intolerant of the actions and behaviors of it’s Leaders. Many twist and distort scripture in getting the body to comply. The corruption in the Church is one of ongoing debate and one I am prepared to challenge any loyal member and have in this forum, only to hear more scripture being misused. I am not suggesting you turn off God, for it is not God who has done this to you. You put your trust in “Man” and that was your first mistake. We go to church to worship and exalt a holy and righteous God, not to pass around biz cards. These are the hard truths and if we are honest we will open our eyes and see just how way short we are falling. I would ask God to heal your wounds and to take out your heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh. The Pastor instructed you to forgive which is correct but the element that is missing is “genuine repentance and mutual reconciliation”. God, many times, reconciled with Israel but only after Israel saw it’s brokenness and repented. Forgiveness is pro-active and re-active. If we forgive someone but they continue to harm us themselves and others, then we have lost the true meaning of forgiveness, they become meaningless empty words, just as your Pastor has demonstrated. Hope this helps!

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Keitha March 29, 2015 at 8:55 am

Charles,
I understand what you are saying, but the Bible makes it clear that you are to trust no man. It is always the relationship you have with your Savior that counts. I have to ask you, were you called to work for the minister? Secondly, did you pray about it? Thirdly, were you on good terms with you former boss? Considering that it was only three days, it seems to me that you had time to go back to your job and let the boss know that you made a grave mistake or did you leave boasting that you are going to work for the Lord and how awful this job is? You have to be honest with yourself first and foremost in order for the healing to begin. I don’t care what happens in your life…..ownership of your problems and dealing with them gingerly always leave to healing. When I say gingerly, I mean time. There is no wonder pill for mistakes or misjudgments that may occur. I have a book that will be coming out that details the trauma I felt when my husband and I invested a lot in forming a charter school in the memory of my parents (10 years). We focused on working with the poorest kids and even though we used every bit of the money to meet the needs of the students, they fell short on the standardized testing and the elementary school was closed which led to financial problems for the middle and high which they eventually closed. Initially, I was upset, but what I realized is the process is more important than the product. As I stated earlier in another reply, hurt, pain, longsuffering produces character. I actually put some political cartoons in the book because I can see the humor in it. Everyone has their cross to bear….how do you wear yours?

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Don Dressel April 22, 2015 at 12:35 pm

Yes is it not the Catholic Church that was in denial about the priests molesting altar boys???!!!

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Martin May 12, 2015 at 3:20 am

Charles, there is evil everywhere you look. Christianity is not to blame. You are. You had no common sense. God is bigger than any church. But I doubt that you would care.

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Ken March 26, 2015 at 4:43 am

I read through this and similar articles with a sorrow that the authors truly don’t get this thing called faith. Oh I think they think they understand faith and perhaps go through the motions of being a Christian but in reality this and most of the other related posts truly have missed the real purpose of this entire journey, this path. And unfortunately so do far too many today in and out of our churches. Don’t get me wrong here, going “to” church is important to be a part of a body of believers, being a “part” of a bible study is important to gain understanding that can come from sharing as part of a group discussion, even being a “part” of ministry and community outreaches areally important because it’s how the lover of Christ is shown especially to the least of these in our communities and cities. Yes all of these are important “parts” of a faith, but if you noticed I put quotes around certain words and that was intentional.

While all those activities are “part” of our experience in faith, none of it truly matters if we don’t build our own relationship FIRST. And that is where far too many people completely miss and spend most of this journey (if not all of it) feeling like they never quite get it. And the answer is unfortunately yes they don’t get it.

Where far too many miss this entire journey, this thing called faith and never get the “relationship” side of this is that they come to Christ on our own roads named “Damascus”, often broken or burdened with all of our emotional stuff like pain, anger, hurt, disappointment, unforgiveness, etc. all stuffed in our rhetorical suitcases in life and never completely let them go. We attempt to build this thing called faith in our life as an add-on or a partial rehab yet leaving the deepest cracks underneath, the most severe issues in our foundations untouched. Our faith is an “also” or an “and” in our lives like yeah and I go to church or yeah I also am a part of this great bible study or this outreach…. but our real identity, that main foundation of who we are remains somewhere else or as someone else. You know what I’m talking about – our true identity is as a wife, husband, mother, father, homemaker, businessman/woman AND I’m a Christian…

instead of what Christ truly asks of each of us in just two simple words “Follow Me”. And this has a far greater meaning in our lives than just and or also. It truly means that Christ asks each of us to become an example of Him ourselves “FIRST” and be all those other titles and roles 2nd.

But then we attempt to build this thing called faith as an add-on or maybe a really cool 2nd story in our lives, and while title looks cool and sounds even cooler to our church friends “hey look at Bob he’s an awesome Christian”, because we have no real foundation, when the storms of life come (and they will come sometimes like a spring shower and sometimes like something out of Job 1 and 2), our true foundation with all those cracks underneath truly starts to show through like a city street after a harsh winter and we then have doubts, worry, anxiety or worse and we falter, at times hard. Course it has nothing to do with the fact that we’ve been “trying”, for 10 years, or that we’ve never truly gotten the ALL part of in all you do glorify God (1 Corinth 10:31) and maintain a self righteousness to our thoughts and voice to criticize others and then turn around and quote “yeah I know I’m wrong but I’m forgiven” completely misunderstanding God’s forgiveness really only applies IF we ourselves surrender that behavior, thought or action first, not to use His forgiveness as an excuse to continue our ways and thoughts. If we truly have become a follower of Christ instead of what Kyle Idleman calls a fan, a lot of this takes on a whole new meaning and makes sense in a whole new way…

Lots more I can share but need to go now. But hopefully you understand my point here. If you do have more questions about faith or becoming a Christ Follower, look me up on Facebook under Ken Etter, La Grange, KY.

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Josi March 26, 2015 at 7:43 am

I’m uncertain as to the point Ken is attempting to drive home here. It would appear he knows the minds and hearts of most believers when in all honesty, Ken is an example of the type Christians that turn me off. Being speculative about a persons relationship experience with Christ toppled with their “baggage” is one of “individual”. Your being cynical and presuming you have all the answers as to why an individual does not appreciate the value of being a believer is truly dampened by your lack of compassion towards the person trying to overcome what you deem “faithless”. This is the Human condition that we are all messed up. How did Jesus interact with the women at the well ? With Love, in all it’s diversity. I suggest you take up a study on the origins of the church and concentrate on a particular area of structure from within the church I personally believe Christ had not intention of it becoming, and that is Man-Centered Doctrines and Traditions. Current Modern-Day Churches are in “Apostate”. Many not even teaching the gospel. As for your perspective’s on bible study, I’ve been in those study groups and it would appear to the keen observer that they are nothing more then a social gathering, much like church is. I never went away with much knowledge and always discovered I was more enlightened in private study. They’re are many erroneous things occurring from within the church then just the producing of unappreciative believers. You say follow God…God say’s, “Love is the greatest of these”. You come off as Legalistic, Bigoted and Arrogant. Imagine yourself with the women at the well, would you politely instruct her to just get over herself ? Love, Compassion, Mercy, Grace etc…Church can be one of the loneliest places and yet so many have blinders on and cannot see or refuse to acknowledge the corruption. For once though, I would love to see a kind of Love spill forth for all to witness and observe and have the collection that is taken up dispersed to the needy in the body of Christ as Paul demonstrated. We place so much emphasis on money. Christ and his followers “your words” lived by the land and beloved children cared for their basic needs like food, shelter while in their travels. They were never supported like we do today with such notables as Joel Osteen or Creflo Dollar in all their splendor and lavishness. So Ken, if you desire to speak of “undeserving unappreciative believers why don’t we redirect the conversation to the real disadvantages and to the real tragedies and goings-on from within the body of Christ?

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Keitha March 29, 2015 at 8:58 am

Ken,
Read my two responses earlier. I think you hit the nail on the head.

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